SUSE

[Wayne Smith]

Good one  David,  it would seem fairlights specialty is belittling people
unless it somebody he needs something from.

 Overlook it as the rest of us do.

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 12:18 PM David Duff via Filepro-list <
filepro-list at lists.celestial.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
> I value your opinion, and your skills but it doesn't change the fact that
> SuSe & Filepro have worked very well for me over the years.
>
> I'm nowhere as learned as you are (but I do IQ at 143, so I'm not stupid)
> BUT I do
> know how to express an opinion WITHOUT insulting the other person,
> something you
> really, really need to learn.
>
> There are nicer ways to get your message across to us lesser talents and
> then, we
> might actually listen to you.
>
> By the way, it's also good for business. Nobody wants to do business with
> person
> who thinks that they are better we are, no matter how good that person may
> be.
>
> No insult intended, just a pointer in the right direction.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fairlight via Filepro-list" <filepro-list at lists.celestial.com>
> To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 11:35:43 AM
> Subject: Re: SUSE
>
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 01:49:06PM +0000, David Duff thus spoke:
> > Perhaps that 747 might be able to zoom through but, in almost
> > 40 years, I've never had a problem.
>
> Yeah.  It won't be a problem until it is.  Then it will be a BIG
> problem.
>
> > My computer background started at Tandy in 1982 and the only thing
> > I really sold back then was the Model 16/6000, running Xenix. In fact,
> > I knew UNIX (and TrsDos) before I knew DOS.
>
> And you're still obviously exercising 1982's best practises, if that.
>
> > I'm more of a "Jack of All Trades" than a super tech like you Mark,
> > but Filepro on SuSe have been very easy to maintain and support.
>
> It's easy to maintain and support it when you're doing no bloody
> maintenance.  No OS upgrades == no meaningful maintenance.
>
> > I've never been a purist or a "Sizzle" seller, I just like things that
> work,
> > and, for me, that's been SuSe & Filepro.
>
> And it'll keep working for you, until someone makes it not work.  When
> they do, it will be a spectacular failure.  Have fun with that.
>
> > Mark, I do value your opinion, and while it may be dumb, I still stand
> by what
> > I think about SuSe & Filepro.
>
> You're welcome to your opinions.  However, you're exemplary of a huge
> majority subset of filePro programmers who -do not know systems-.  Your
> reliance upon YaST is testament to the fact you don't.  YaST is meant to
> help people who don't know any better.  It doesn't scale at all.  Try
> maintaining 100+ (or 1000+) machines using YaST.  Tell me when you're
> done making a simple change.  You learn the underlying subsystems, and
> you automate.
>
> filePro programmers not knowing the underlying systems upon which they
> run their software is the reason we end up with forests of 0777/0666
> permissions.  They don't know any better.  They're also dangerous to
> their organisations, and their own careers.
>
> It's hard to value someone's opinion when you know they're wrong.
> That's not personal; that's objectively following the data.  I know it's
> out of vogue, and all, but it's the proper way to view things.
>
> By all means, fly your opinions straight into the ground, as is your right.
> I'm 'just' the guy people call in to fix the mess which results when people
> who practise methodologies like yours get cracked; what would I know? :)
>
> m->
> --
> Audio panton, cogito singularis.
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Wayne Smith
Port Orange, Florida
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