what do you-all think about bye bye centos and filepro

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On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 10:27:25AM -0500, Microlite filePro Mail List via
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> Ok by me. That's what opinions are all about. I agree with some of what
> you say, but I'll push back on a few things.

Fair enough.  :)

> > I'm in no hurry to finalise a jump of my own C8 server to Oracle.  I'm
> > waiting to see if Rocky has a single-command migration.  Cloud does,
> > but they appear to be subscription-only, which...no.  Just no
>
> > Cloud claims to as well, but again...subscription?  Two words:  Fuck
> > that.
>
> What does CloudLinux's subscription product have to do with their stated
> position, which was my reference point?

Here's an article I read which referenced CloudLinux trying to fill the
gap:

https://news.itsfoss.com/rhel-fork-by-cloudlinux/

Now...the key sentence is this:  "In their blog post, they stated that
they will make all the build and test software free, open-source, and
easy to setup. So if they ever go in the wrong direction . the community
can start from where they leave."  

Read:  Their distro will likely be subscription if they go with their
current model.  You'll have free access to the SRPMS, but if you want a
drop-in replacement, CentOS-style, and that's likely not what they'll be
providing for free.  That's my take-away, based on what else is on their
website.

If true:  "Limited usefulness."

> "As we already maintain CloudLinux OS, we plan to release a free,
> open-sourced, community-driven, 1:1 binary compatible fork of RHEL® 8
> (and future releases) in the Q1 of 2021. We will create a separate,
> totally free OS that is fully binary compatible with RHEL® 8 (and future
> versions). We will sponsor the development & maintenance of such OS. We
> will work on establishing a community around the OS, with the governing
> board from members of the community."

That's more expansive than what I saw.  And it doesn't actually contradict
what I saw in the article.  It really depends on which version of 'free'
they're using (monetarily free, 'free as in beer', etc.), and the level of
convenience they decide to offer at zero price point.

That one is a 'wait and see', just because they're not being clear
enough, and there are multiple ways to interpret what they're saying.

What you posted sounds better than what I read in the article I cited,
I'll give it that.

> That's pretty clear, and actually contains more of a timeline estimate
> than Rocky Linux does not at this point.

You would think these would be able to be brought out fairly quickly.
Especially Rocky... If it's really 'bug-for-bug' downstream RHEL, it's a
matter of pulling the repo, rebranding, and rebuilding, if they're
seriously not doing their own intervening patches.  I would expect this
to materialise fairly quickly.  CloudLinux, less so, if they're doing
their own development.  Although...they already have everything in place
from their current offering, so...  The race is on.

Most of it is probably getting the infrastructure in place to maintain
distribution and automate downstreaming it, in Rocky's case.

> > And I've no love for Oracle as a company.  Look at the Java nightmare,
> > just for a start...
>
> I have no great love for Oracle, either. But that doesn't mean that
> Oracle Linux Server isn't a great product, and worthy of respect and a
> close look. I didn't care for some Chevy models, nor the way GM handled
> the ignition switch debacle as a corporation, but my 2005 Avalanche was
> the best, most versatile vehicle I've ever owned. I miss it.

Hey, there are some Yamaha synths I admire, even though any time someone
says 'Yamaha' in a conversation, my first thought is, "Oh, you couldn't
afford anything better at the time?  I'm so sorry!" :) That's actually
not entirely fair to Yamaha's music division.  They have done some great
stuff.  They're kind of like HP, though...you have your more consumer-line
stuff, and then you have the pro stuff.  And some of their past pro gear
'benefitted' from some rather dubious design decisions.  The lines are a
little blurry sometimes.  They've improved, overall, but they still have
that stigma to them, in my mind.

> My opinions are just that; responses when asked based on my
> experience. It is entirely ok to disagree, but more helpful dialog ensues
> when the same actual facts are in play.

I would agree with that.

There's just a dearth of actual facts out there right now, as pertains
to the situation.  A lot of plans, some nebulous jockeying, posturing,
and manoeuvering, but very little concrete other than the current actual
existence of Oracle and their one-step migration.  And I haven't tried
that out...yet.  It's on my copious to-do list for after my vacation.

Most of the potential replacements are currently vapourware.  We're just
going to have to wait and see what shakes loose in the end.  Sadly, time is
of the essence.  Again, with the death of C6, and people's tendency to wait
until 11:59, and sometimes 12:02, this happened at pretty much the worst
possible time.

> > They (Red Hat) and CentOS just screwed over thousands of people and
> > companies by breaking their word nine years early.  That is not the
> > basis for a future relationship.
>
> Now that is something we are in complete agreement on. Which is a very
> good way to end an email.

I will once again agree.  :)

> Cheers!  Tom Podnar Microlite Corporation

Have a good one!

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