what do you-all think about bye bye centos and filepro

Mon Dec 21 09:43:03 PST 2020

I Think that people who boycott a business, even if it for their own satisfaction, are not morons but individuals who are taking a stand no matter what.

There are some companies whose policies I don't approve of and therefore don't patronize.  That is my choice and I realize that my not patronizing their business will have very little affect on their bottom line. However, when a lot of individuals stop shopping or using a product, that does affect the bottom-line  it has an impact on what management does.

I ran into a situation many years ago when I was handling IBM system36 and PC's.  The largest card manufacturer of emulation cards, hired accountants who advised them to reduce their quality control inspections from 11 to 7.  This caused them to deliver to one of my clients a number of bad cards.  I spoke with their support and the authorized replacement.  The replacement cards were sent and 1/2 of them did not work, These were returned, I was informed that the incorrect cards were sent we needed 5350 emulation and they sent cards that were *nix Terminals emulation cards.  I has spent a lot of time trying to get all of the cards working and felt that my client should not have to pay for the additional time I spent trying to make the cards work.  I was not a dealer and the company offered me free cards the next time I ordered.  As I did not sell these cards and the dealer who sold them was not involved, I advised them that I wanted to paid in cash not credits towards future purchases. I had enough clout at the time to hurt their business in the New York City market that they agreed to pay me.  I most likely was not the only one affected by their poor quality as the company is out of business.  The only reason I learned about the reduction in quality control inspections was that the support person I was dealing with told me of the problem.  Apparently the support people were handling a lot of quality issues with wrong products being shipped.

By the way the main difference between the emulation cards was the type of connection adapter being used.  Tein-Ax for the 5250 emulation and a Serial connection for the terminal emulation card.  Of course the emulation software was different.  Also, there was competition for this business from other card vendors.  One, which I eventually decided to use, had much better 5250 emulation software.  I looked better and was easier to install.   These were the days when one had to manually set interrupts using dip switches.

Richard Kreiss
GCC Consulting

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> On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 11:47:30PM -0500, Brian K. White via Filepro-list thus
> spoke:
> > Deciding what to do, and calling out RedHat's actions are two separate
> > things.
> 
> Which is why I say I'm perfectly content to use their tech downstream.
> I'll never pay them for support because I'm better than their support, or they've
> at least never proven themselves more competent to my satisfaction.  It'd be
> like paying for full service at a petrol station; I'm able-bodied, and therefore it
> would be a superfluous extravagance.
> 
> I'm not going to deprive myself of my prefered architecture, just because I don't
> like the vendor's politics.  If I did that, I wouldn't have any vendors -left-.  I think
> people who boycott Chic-Fil-A are morons, for instance.  Why would any sane
> person willingly deprive themselves of a product they like, just to 'send a
> message' which will never actually be heard, over something which doesn't
> actually
> -directly- affect them?  That's stupid.  Now, when Adaptec boned me back in the
> day, I was -done- with them, but they literally directly impacted me with their
> bad choices.  A vendor gets -one- chance to burn me, typically.  It's rare that I
> will change my mind after I've dropped them, too, slthough it's happened;
> Seagate got another turn eventually, at least for cheapo game console portable
> drives.  I'm still loyal to WD because their quality is better on desktop and NAS
> drives, in my experience.
> 
> Point is...I didn't stop listening to Thirty Seconds to Mars because Leto became a
> ragingly public leftist liberal and proved that his personality was not one I liked; I
> stopped listening to them because they went steadily downhill starting at album
> #3, and album #5 was a steaming pile of rubbish not worth a second listen.  If
> the quality had been there, I'd still suffer their politics for good music.  He's still a
> great vocalist, but the actual composition was just phoned in past a certain
> point.  It's a shame, but so be it.
> 
> It's just crazy to deprive yourself of a product based on anything but the
> product's merits alone.  There will always be someone else ready to take your
> place as a customer, so it's a completely hollow and meaningless act of
> principled but misguided protest to bother boycotting just based on principles.  It
> should directly affect someone before it reaches boycott levels.  You can hurt a
> university's food service department by boycotting them over extortionist
> pricing, for instance; they have one market, and that -will- burt their bottom line
> because they only have access to their students.  You're not going to
> significantly impact a public restaurant.  To think you can at any noticeable level
> is a study in hubris and egocentrism.  (Notice that Chic-Fil-A is still thriving, years
> after the controversy and useless boycotts.  All those people could still be
> enjoying the food they once did, if they'd bothered to be halfway
> logical.)
> 
> There's a difference between those, and refusing to use RH -directly-.
> I'll use their architecture downstream, happily; it's my preferred architecture,
> and the one with which I'm most consistently familiar and have spent the most
> time learning its quirks.  That said, they literally
> -directly- boned me, so why would I get directly back into bed with the people
> who just stuck a knife in my back?  They've literally just proven I can't trust them.
> Only a fool walks into a relationship where they know they can't trust the other
> party.  It takes a special kind of willful stupidity (or at the very least, masochism)
> to do that.  I'm many things, and have been accused of being many more, but
> I'm simply not -that- stupid.
> 
> Business relationships are like any other; they can survive almost anything
> except a major, impactful breach of trust.
> 
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