OT: If I were to list what I've done with filePro & vent how I feel about filePro

Tue Mar 27 06:21:39 PDT 2018

Richard,

If fpTech had partnered up with ANZIO whereby ANZIO gets paid a share of 
the seats sold, the WIN to LINUX connection would be nothing at all - 
Even without them partnering up, WIN to LINUX based filePro is a daily 
thing.

Other than the cost of the telnet client, is there a benefit to running 
filePro in a native windows server?  As far as I know, all/most mission 
critical features in filePro are available in all OSes.

In fact, for people that use WIN, they would save $$$ if they did not 
have to pay WIN 20## license - come to think of it, that $$$ can be used 
to buy the LINUX server, more filePro seats and all of the ANZIO clients 
you may need; not to mention a nice backup system and the peace of mind 
of not having to patch your server every two or three nights.

We all have used this as a sale point, "no matter which OS you choose, 
your data can be easily migrated in minutes!"

On 03/27/2018 12:56 AM, Richard Kreiss wrote:
> What both of you are overlooking is the vast infrastructure of Windows.  I
> have never liked networks but this is the area most of my clients wanted to
> have installed.
>
> MS DOS, Windows, Windows server NT, and the Windows Server nnnn.
>
> Most of you *nix folks are running into Windows desktops rather than install
> a GUI version of Linux.
>
> IN answer to Mark's comment about filePro I/O, keep in mind this was written
> overnight when Ken and a group of programmers were competing in a database
> competition. The needed that functionality to compete.  I don't know if it
> was ever improved after that week-end.
>
> As for programmers beyond Ken, yes FP Tech does have others do development
> work.  It would be fool-hardy to just have one person doing all of your
> development.
>
> I think Small Computer and other owners made a major error in not getting
> some of their big users for finance the development of a GUI version.  The
> was a company I had worked for whose software ran on IBM system 36 and AS400
> computers as it was written in RPG.  The got 5 of their largest clients to
> finance the development of SQL version of the software.  The only complaint
> I heard from those companies was the length of time it took them.  The issue
> was they were adding a load of bells and whistles rather than getting the
> base application up and running.  They had all of this new functionality
> that they could use and forgot about getting the basic application up and
> running.  The new features would have been a great sales tool for selling
> upgrades.
>
> I would love to see a native GUI interface for filePro rather then that
> screen scraper.  It would just look a lot better.  Although, Wegman's
> register terminals are old school.  I think they are connected to the
> corporate mainframe.
>
> Richard
>   
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Filepro-list [mailto:filepro-list-
>> bounces+rkreiss=verizon.net at lists.celestial.com] On Behalf Of Jose
> Lerebours
>> via Filepro-list
>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 9:38 PM
>> To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
>> Subject: Re: OT: If I were to list what I've done with filePro & vent how
> I feel
>> about filePro
>>
>> Mark,
>>
>> You make, very elegantly I most say, my point ... in its current state, I
> agree, it
>> has no chance (lets see what next release packs within ...) but I truly
> believe that
>> if they had focused on one OS and at its infancy (the OS') they could have
>> captured a sizable market worldwide.
>>
>> I am not suggesting they do this now but rather that they should had done
> it
>> years ago when RedHat was taking free OS and making $$$ because, lots of
>> businesses and enthusiastic techies were willing (and still are) to pay
> for stable
>> apps and a "go to" team.
>>
>> All that said, some in this list have predicted the "death" of filePro and
> sucker
>> keeps punching his way to the next round (or year).
>>
>>
>>
>> On 03/26/2018 09:22 PM, Fairlight via Filepro-list wrote:
>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 08:24:11PM -0400, Jose Lerebours via
> Filepro-list
>> thus spoke:
>>>> I really believe filePro should had embraced LINUX and made it its
>>>> sole OS, drop the rest ... make filePro available and distributed
>>>> with every copy of LINUX (if only a single user development/runtime)
>>>> to lure new blood and enrich the community with new ideas, talent
>>>> and market area.
>>> They did (eventually...) embrace Linux.
>>>
>>> That said, what you suggest is absolutely the -worst- way to gain market
>>> share.  That's actually one of the problems filePro had, was being bound
>>> for a long time to dead or dying platforms after a certain period.  SCO,
>>> AIX, etc., were bad things with which to be affiliated.  SCO
> -definitely-
>>> was frowned upon in Linux circles, to the point that I think they even
>>> dropped the ABI compatibility at some point.  It was seeing no love
> after a
>>> while.  Pretty sure it's been abandoned.
>>>
>>> No matter the product, you don't want to bind yourself tightly to any
> one
>>> platform, unless that platform offers something no other platforms do.
>>> There's no such creature when facing Linux.  You can do -roughly- the
> same
>>> things on pretty much any *nix platform.  It's down to hardware support
>>> and ease of compilation, when it comes to *nix platforms.  Linux and
> *BSD
>>> have those in abundance.  Things like SCO, AIX, HP/UX, and Irix do not.
> As
>>> such, what Linux and *BSD are the best out there for open-source
> software.
>>> However, filePro is -not- open-source, so none of the benefits make it a
>>> sane move to sacrifice -any- market share in favour of either of them,
>>> because the proposed target audience doesn't care.  Spread your
> influence
>>> far and wide is then the name of the game.
>>>
>>> As for free copies with Linux, that would prove horribly ineffective.
> You
>>> think -I'm- strict and critical?  I've dealt directly (over the course
>>> of five years) with the former second-in-command of the Linux kernel,
>>> the primary author of ext2, one of the main contributors to GIMP and its
>>> modules, a few people from the early days of Mozilla, and Karl Asha of
>>> Blackdown/Java for Linux fame.  I've also hung out in USENET groups for
>>> popular languages (including the one for Perl, whose denizens I can't
>>> stand, ditto the Perl Monks).  Most of them make me look like a
> positively
>>> chill person.  They're zealots, most of them.  We'll just glaze over the
>>> fact that for-money commercial software is antithetical to most of the
>>> Linux community's ideals.
>>>
>>> After many, many conversations, I know all too well how people in the
> Linux
>>> community think.  I cannot for the life of me see filePro meeting
> anything
>>> other than scorn at this late date.  Not in its current state, anyway.
>>>
>>> If you decouple the storage engine from the language, actually implement
>>> select(), threading, an API, and the ability to natively bind to -any-
>>> *SQL, implement malloc() engine-wide and dump all the 1970s-style
> arbitrary
>>> length limits, and improve a few other problem areas, -maybe- it would
> have
>>> value to a few people as a front-end to some of the SQL engines, from
>>> purely a RAD standpoint.  It honestly would not be much more than a
> souped
>>> up 'dialog' to most of them.
>>>
>>> As it is, there's no audience for it.  People are writing for HTML5, and
>>> GUI UIs in one form or another are now the norm.  Even dBase went GUI.
>>> Have a look at www.dbase.com.
>>>
>>> As far as I can see, filePro is probably on life support until its
> eventual
>>> demise.  It stood still for far too long.  You'd need a decent sized
> team
>>> to mount a comeback, and even then the odds aren't good, as there are
>>> already established names (like dBase and FileMaker Pro) in the field.
>>>
>>> Just not seein' it, man.  The landscape has changed too much, and fP
> didn't
>>> change with it.
>>>
>>> mark->
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