Ot; Old Wish list requests

Fairlight fairlite at fairlite.com
Mon Mar 26 15:26:32 PDT 2018


I think one of the things that's a signature of someone coming from other
languages is seeing which features are avoided in their code.

You'll almost never see me use import unless someone held a gun to my head.
The rare times I might use export are when I need the file to be mode 0666
for some reason. filePro's file opening is anything but uniform:

export - 0666
open - 0600
html - 0644

There are times you need 0666 (much as I hate to say that, from a security
standpoint), so I'll do a single export, close it, then use open() with
truncation mode enabled.

A working universal umask might have been nice.  Still would, from what one
client who's -actually- on the latest version told me under a week ago.  He
has the same complaint, and was forced into a similar 'solution'.

But by and large, I stick to raw file I/O commands and features, rather
than relying on the 'smart' features others use in fP.  I find them to
be limiting, hard to remember by comparison, and more prone to causing
problems than solving them.  In contrast, I've never had a problem with the
open/readline/writeline/close functions.

That's actually not necessarily -strictly- a filePro issue with me.  I
tend to avoid Perl's format-based output unless I -really- need it, for
much the same reasons.  Even then, I've taken to doing the line-wrapping
calculations myself and using low-level I/O, in recent years.  Skipping
anything non-standard and arcane is pretty much my approach.  There are
some times to use such features, but I find those times to be few and far
between.

I would literally rather write or re-borrow from my own routines, than rely
on ones which I've found to be unreliable, or ill-fitting for the results
I need/want Ä in any language.  It's like the programming version of, "Buy
once, cry once."  I'd rather just do it correctly myself the first time,
in a manner I dictate, control, and know definitively.  It saves me from
being boxed in later.  You can't rewrite export or import, because you have
no access to that code at that level.  You can modify a routine which uses
low-level I/O functions to do whatever you need, within the language's
constraints.

m->


On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 06:06:19PM -0400, Richard Kreiss thus spoke:
> Mark,
> 
> It is always interesting to see how others code in filePro.
> 
> 
> Richard Kreiss
> GCC Consulting
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Filepro-list [mailto:filepro-list-
> > bounces+rkreiss=verizon.net at lists.celestial.com] On Behalf Of Fairlight
> via
> > Filepro-list
> > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 5:49 PM
> > To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> > Subject: Re: Ot; Old Wish list requests
> > 
> > Huh.  I assumed that my ISP would have had SSL properly configured for
> that
> > host.  Apparently this was a poor assumption.
> > 
> > http://members.iglou.com/fairlite/wayne_can_stfu_now.tar.gz
> > 
> > That link works.  Confirmed just now.
> > 
> > m->
> > 
> > On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 05:38:23PM -0400, Wayne Smith via Filepro-list
> thus
> > spoke:
> > > Good point Richard,  you sir are somebody who has repeatedly helped many
> of
> > us who like and tell filePro?s story to those who are able to and can
> listen.   Add
> > to it that we  make it work everyday for a number of clients.
> > >
> > > Mark is operating in and on a cloud of his own ....his child-like
> insults mean
> > nothing to me.  His link didn?t even work trying to show something Antique
> he
> > has written in FP.
> > >
> > > Wayne Smith
> > > Port Orange, Florida
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > >
> > > > On Mar 26, 2018, at 5:14 PM, Richard D. Williams via Filepro-list
> <filepro-
> > list at lists.celestial.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mark,
> > > >
> > > > I think everyone on this thread knows who is the "dick" here.
> > > >
> > > > Why don't you just grow up a little and understand that know one
> really
> > wants to know what you think.
> > > > It is never helpful, except to feed your over blown ego.
> > > > You are just a mean person and you can not help yourself.
> > > >
> > > > I would think in your 43 years you have learned so manners.
> > > > Oh that's right, this is the internet. You don't need manners.
> > > >
> > > > Perfect for you.
> > > >
> > > > Richard D. Williams
> > > >
> > > > BTW  The way for those of you who think this is too personal, well
> Mark
> > always goes for the personal insults.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> On 3/26/2018 10:45 AM, Fairlight via Filepro-list wrote:
> > > >> Oh, you never saw the source in the past when I posted it in...2004?
> Huh.
> > > >> You must have been too busy being a dick, I guess.  Here, let me
> > > >> remedy that (the lack of seeing -any- of my code, -not- the 'you
> > > >> being a dick', which I doubt can be rectified no matter how much
> source
> > code I produce):
> > > >>
> > > >> https://members.iglou.com/fairlite/wayne_can_stfu_now.tar.gz
> > > >>
> > > >> That's the Fairlight File Sharing System, written in filePro
> > > >> against my OneGate CGI software.  Ancient code, but it worked fine
> > > >> the last time it was actually in use.
> > > >>
> > > >> </waynes_leg_to_stand_on>
> > > >>
> > > >> Never come at me that way with a personal attack unless you are
> > > >> ready for the consequences, Wayne.  In the immortal words of Illidan
> > Stormrage:
> > > >> "YOU ARE NOT PREPARED!"
> > > >>
> > > >> Far better and brighter people than you have had a go, and lost.
> > > >> You don't intimidate me in the slightest, little man.
> > > >>
> > > >> (Preemptively, because -someone- will undoubtedly whine about how
> > > >> 'poor Wayne' was treated:  "He blatantly -asked- for it, pretty much
> > literally."
> > > >> I feel zero remorse over this one, nor can/will I be made to, so
> > > >> don't bother trying.)
> > > >>
> > > >> Cheers!  :)
> > > >>
> > > >> mark->
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:05:22AM -0500, Wayne Smith via
> Filepro-list
> > thus spoke:
> > > >>> In all the years I have seen you try to berate filePro I have yet
> > > >>> to see any examples of what you have written.  Why don't you just
> > > >>> shut that clap trap of yours and let us fp programmers from level
> > > >>> novice to expert,  get our work done in peace without your
> > > >>> criticism of which has never been welcome or useful in any way.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Wayne Smith
> > > >>> Port Orange. Florida
> > > >>>
> > > >>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 11:04 PM, Fairlight via Filepro-list <
> > > >>> filepro-list at lists.celestial.com> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> In the days when your alternatives were assembly, BASIC, or
> > > >>>> COBOL, I suppose it made sense as a low barrier-to-entry language.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> These days, it's a bad time investment.  You'd be better off
> > > >>>> taking the time to learn something proper like Perl or Python,
> > > >>>> and develop skills which are more or less transferrable to other
> > languages.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I've lost track of the times something went wrong in fP because
> > > >>>> either the engine itself was flaky (record locking comes to
> > > >>>> mind), or because some obscure part of the language bit someone
> > > >>>> squarely in the arse.  I'm -not- a fan of strongly typed
> > > >>>> languages, but fP takes it too far in the other direction.
> > > >>>> Combined with the piss-poor syntax checker and abysmal error
> > > >>>> reporting, which mis-report your actual issues more often than they
> > illustrate it correctly, the entire combo is just plain aggravating.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> In all the time I've used filePro, I don't think an error on
> > > >>>> Index.A has
> > > >>>> -ever- ACTUALLY been an error on Index.A.  Seriously.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> m->
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 11:20:11PM -0400, Richard Kreiss thus
> spoke:
> > > >>>>> Mark,
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> What I posted was written in 1993 well before PCL6.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I think that the new PDF printing option is their way of
> > > >>>>> compensating for the inability of their output program to handle
> > > >>>>> anything but PCL 3 or 5
> > > >>>> on
> > > >>>>> the Windows platform.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> It is not a perfect answer but it does work.  I think that
> > > >>>>> PrintWizard
> > > >>>> is a
> > > >>>>> much better solution as it doesn't need a lot of rewriting and
> > > >>>>> can be
> > > >>>> made
> > > >>>>> transparent to the user.  It also has a lot for flexibility once
> > > >>>>> one
> > > >>>> learns
> > > >>>>> how to use it.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Again, PDF etc. were not options in 1993.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Also, keep in mind that some of the functions which were added
> > > >>>>> may be functions that FP Tech needed to maintain their primary
> > > >>>>> client.  I have discussed the implementing the Spell Checker
> > > >>>>> with a few of my clients who are running versions that have it.
> None of
> > them wanted it implemented.
> > > >>>>> However, I did implement the PDF printing for one client who is
> > > >>>>> also
> > > >>>> using
> > > >>>>> PrintWizard.  They want to be able to have some form letters
> > > >>>>> (with logo) either printed or a PDF created from input
> > > >>>>> processing with the ability to select the printer.  This seemed
> > > >>>>> to be a good place to use filePro's PDF creation option.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I know that filePro is not perfect as it is missing a lot of
> > > >>>> functionality
> > > >>>>> that other databases have but it is still a programming language
> > > >>>>> that
> > > >>>> can be
> > > >>>>> learned fairly quickly, for doing basic applications.  But is
> > > >>>>> capable of handling a lot of sophisticated programming.  The
> > > >>>>> tools are there, one
> > > >>>> just
> > > >>>>> needs to work out how to use them properly and when necessary
> > > >>>>> make use of other programming languages to fill the gaps.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Richard Kreiss
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>>>> From: Filepro-list [mailto:filepro-list-
> > > >>>>>> bounces+rkreiss=verizon.net at lists.celestial.com] On Behalf Of
> > > >>>> Fairlight
> > > >>>>> via
> > > >>>>>> Filepro-list
> > > >>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 12:42 PM
> > > >>>>>> To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> > > >>>>>> Subject: Re: Ot; Old Wish list requests
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Hell, how about emulation of PCL5 -> PCL6, so people can buy
> > > >>>>>> any old
> > > >>>>> printer
> > > >>>>>> they want.  Finding affordable PCL5 printers has become a
> > > >>>>>> challenge in
> > > >>>> the
> > > >>>>> last
> > > >>>>>> decade or so.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> You'd think that would take precedence over things like...spell
> > > >>>> checkers.
> > > >>>>>> Also...regex implementation for processing.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Of course, most of this is moot except for a few select clients
> > > >>>>>> who
> > > >>>>> upgraded.
> > > >>>>>> The majority of of my clients haven't moved past 5.0.14, nor do
> > > >>>>>> they
> > > >>>> plan
> > > >>>>> to.
> > > >>>>>> m->
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 06:22:19PM +0000, Richard Kreiss via
> > > >>>> Filepro-list
> > > >>>>> thus
> > > >>>>>> spoke:
> > > >>>>>>> I came across this letter to Small Computer from 1993.  I
> > > >>>>>>> think that
> > > >>>>> some of
> > > >>>>>> the items are still viable requests.
> > > >>>>>>> Although some of these have been addressed or are obsolete
> > > >>>>>>> such as
> > > >>>> using
> > > >>>>>> WordPerfect print drivers.
> > > >>>>>>> One Item - having one key and many data records making header
> > > >>>>>>> and
> > > >>>> detail
> > > >>>>>> files easier to handle.  I was asked, if memory serves, by
> > > >>>>>> Howie how do
> > > >>>>> this.  My
> > > >>>>>> answer was, "you're the programmers".
> > > >>>>>>> It might be convenient to have a way of linking a header file
> > > >>>>>>> to a
> > > >>>> data
> > > >>>>> file
> > > >>>>>> through filePro rather than  linking them in programming and
> > > >>>>>> using an
> > > >>>>> index.
> > > >>>>>> Also, it would be convenient to be able to define an output by
> > > >>>> assigning
> > > >>>>> the each
> > > >>>>>> section to a file.  As an example the header could be linked
> > > >>>>>> directly
> > > >>>> to
> > > >>>>> the
> > > >>>>>> necessary fields in the header file.  The detail section could
> > > >>>>>> be
> > > >>>> linked
> > > >>>>> to the data
> > > >>>>>> file thereby allow real fields to be used rather than using
> > > >>>>>> temporary
> > > >>>>> fields or
> > > >>>>>> vice-versa.
> > > >>>>>>> Most of us would like to have the ability to update records
> > > >>>>>>> from a
> > > >>>>> browse
> > > >>>>>> lookup.  Yes, I have done this through programming but is a
> > > >>>>>> pain to do
> > > >>>>> especially
> > > >>>>>> getting the popup screen to overlay the browse line properly.
> > > >>>>>>> I still would like to have the ability to define a multi-level
> > > >>>>>>> array
> > > >>>>> similar to what
> > > >>>>>> one can do in Basic.
> > > >>>>>>> Most of these Wishlist items have not been added.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> See letter below:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Richard Kreiss
> > > >>>>>>> 539 Fairway Drive
> > > >>>>>>> Woodmere, New York  11598
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> March 24, 1993
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Small Computer Company
> > > >>>>>>> 41 Saw Mill River Road.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Hawthorne, New York 10532
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Attention: filePro Wish List
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> PRODUCE A MORE COHESIVE MANUAL.
> > > >>>>>>>             Print one index for all versions 3, 4 and 4.1.  It
> > > >>>>>>> is
> > > >>>> almost
> > > >>>>> impossible to
> > > >>>>>> find anything if you don't recall what version it comes from.
> > > >>>>>>>             When new commands are added,  give more examples
> > > >>>>>>> of how
> > > >>>> to
> > > >>>>> use
> > > >>>>>> the command.
> > > >>>>>>> 1. FilePro's Menu: (@once appears to answer this request)
> > > >>>>>>>             Allow for passing parameters to @pm field by
> > > >>>>>>> prompting
> > > >>>> the
> > > >>>>>>> user for a response.  This would be similar to prompting for a
> > > >>>>>>> qualifier using the -qm option.  You might define this a -rm.
> > > >>>>>>> (I realize this may conflict with -rm command on Unix/Xenix
> > > >>>>>>> systems)
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> 2. Define output:
> > > >>>>>>>             A.    Allow for "Delete Blank Line" control for each
> > > >>>> section
> > > >>>>> of an output
> > > >>>>>> (ie. Header, and each break section).
> > > >>>>>>>             B.    Allow for the defining an absolute line(s) for
> a
> > > >>>> break
> > > >>>>> field(s) to begin
> > > >>>>>> printing when defining the output rather the in output
> processing.
> > > >>>> This
> > > >>>>> is
> > > >>>>>> especially true when creating a multi-lines form, such as an
> > > >>>>>> invoice,
> > > >>>> from
> > > >>>>> a
> > > >>>>>> header file and a detail files or printing checks.
> > > >>>>>>>             C.    Allow for break fields to be defined in
> sort/select
> > > >>>>> processing.
> > > >>>>>>>             D.    Better control of printers when printing boxes
> and
> > > >>>>> lines on a report
> > > >>>>>> or form.
> > > >>>>>>>             E.    Allow for the importing of graphics when
> printing
> > > >>>>> reports and
> > > >>>>>> forms. (can be done using print codes)
> > > >>>>>>>                         i.e. Logo's etc
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> 3. Processing
> > > >>>>>>>             A.    Allow for the defining a specific line for
> data to
> > > >>>> be
> > > >>>>> printed at using a
> > > >>>>>> print command - @print("47") which would advance the printer to
> > > >>>>>> line 47
> > > >>>>> and
> > > >>>>>> print out the information to be printed. (This command would be
> > > >>>> instead of
> > > >>>>> or in
> > > >>>>>> addition to 2.B).
> > > >>>>>>>             B.    With filePro 4.X's ability to enter 121
> character
> > > >>>> per
> > > >>>>> line, need the
> > > >>>>>> ability to send print control code(s) to the printer when
> > > >>>>>> printing
> > > >>>>> processing
> > > >>>>>> tables.  This is  especially true if one wants to continue to
> > > >>>>>> print
> > > >>>>> processing tables
> > > >>>>>> using 8½x11 paper by using condensed type.  Yes, many new
> > > >>>>>> printers will
> > > >>>>> allow
> > > >>>>>> for controlling this function at the printer.  However, older
> > > >>>>>> printers
> > > >>>>> don't make
> > > >>>>>> this that easy and some of us are not necessarily sitting at or
> > > >>>>>> near
> > > >>>> our
> > > >>>>> printer.
> > > >>>>>> (Without going to the Printer Definition and initialize in
> > > >>>>>> condensed
> > > >>>> mode
> > > >>>>> each
> > > >>>>>> time)
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> 4. Define Files:
> > > >>>>>>>             A.    Allow for the creation of a file which allows
> for 1
> > > >>>>> KEY RECORD to
> > > >>>>>> have multiple DATA RECORDS associated with it. This would make
> > > >>>>>> it much simpler to handle programs which now require a header
> > > >>>>>> file and a detail
> > > >>>>> file,
> > > >>>>>> which contains multiple records associated with a key field in
> > > >>>>>> the
> > > >>>> header
> > > >>>>> file.
> > > >>>>>>>                    Such programs as order entry and/or
> > > >>>>>>> invoicing,
> > > >>>> which
> > > >>>>> may have a
> > > >>>>>> large number of line items associated with them would be easier
> > > >>>>>> to work
> > > >>>>> with.
> > > >>>>>>>             B.    Have a memo field edit which can be used to
> add
> > > >>>>> comments to a
> > > >>>>>> record. (Finally available)
> > > >>>>>>>             C.    Add binary field type for graphics display on
> > > >>>> screen
> > > >>>>> (and outputs).
> > > >>>>>> (available but doesn't allow for display)
> > > >>>>>>> 5. Updating Records:
> > > >>>>>>>             A.    Allow for the updating of multiple records
> while
> > > >>>> using
> > > >>>>> browse. This
> > > >>>>>> function is available in dBase and some other data base
> > > >>>>>> managers and
> > > >>>> makes
> > > >>>>> it
> > > >>>>>> very simple to handle the updating of multiple line items such
> > > >>>>>> as
> > > >>>> during
> > > >>>>> Accounts
> > > >>>>>> Payable or Accounts Receivable data payment entry.  This would
> > > >>>>>> include
> > > >>>>> doing
> > > >>>>>> processing on each record updated.
> > > >>>>>>>             B.    Allow for full program control of function
> keys at
> > > >>>> the
> > > >>>>> field level
> > > >>>>>> when using when processing.
> > > >>>>>>>             C. Allow for the redefining of the function keys
> > > >>>>>>> when in
> > > >>>>> input processing
> > > >>>>>> so that when a specific function key is pressed, no matter what
> > > >>>>>> field
> > > >>>> the
> > > >>>>> cursor is
> > > >>>>>> in, the action takes place.
> > > >>>>>>>             D. Allow for multi-level arrays
> > > >>>>>>>                    i.e. dim array ("1","50") = array(1) to
> > > >>>>>>> array(50)
> > > >>>>> defined once or dim
> > > >>>>>> array ("1", ct)  = array(1) to whatever variable "ct" equals,
> > > >>>>>> allowing
> > > >>>> for
> > > >>>>> variable
> > > >>>>>> number of array elements depending on requirements. This would
> > > >>>>>> be very
> > > >>>>> useful
> > > >>>>>> when a header an detail files have been defined and the details
> > > >>>>>> are
> > > >>>>> entered from
> > > >>>>>> the header file and posted to the detail file after all details
> > > >>>>>> are
> > > >>>>> entered as on
> > > >>>>>> order entry.
> > > >>>>>>> 6. DEFINE PRINTERS
> > > >>>>>>>             Allow for the entry in the printer definition
> > > >>>>>>> table,  the
> > > >>>>> number of
> > > >>>>>> characters/inch for the defined font.  This information would
> > > >>>>>> be used
> > > >>>> when
> > > >>>>>> "RESOLVING" fields.  this would allow for easier alignment of
> > > >>>>>> fields
> > > >>>> when
> > > >>>>> using
> > > >>>>>> other than a 10 pitch font.
> > > >>>>>>>             Make a deal with WordPerfect Corporation to use
> > > >>>>>>> their
> > > >>>>> Printer Drivers.
> > > >>>>>>> Modify output programs to use WordPerfect printer drivers.
> > > >>>>>>> This is
> > > >>>>> possible as
> > > >>>>>> they have drivers for their programs running all the platforms
> > > >>>>>> that
> > > >>>>> filePro runs
> > > >>>>>> on.
> > > >>>>>>>             This will allow for the most flexible report
> > > >>>>>>> generator
> > > >>>> for
> > > >>>>> any database
> > > >>>>>> program.  Full use of all printer functions including printing
> > > >>>>>> graphics
> > > >>>>> would be
> > > >>>>>> possible.  This is especially true of laser and inkjet printers
> > > >>>>>> which
> > > >>>> are
> > > >>>>> awkward to
> > > >>>>>> handle now.
> > > >>>>>>> 7.         Create a "PACK" command option which would look
> through a
> > > >>>>> file and
> > > >>>>>> remove blank records.  This would be much easier the present
> > > >>>>>> multiple
> > > >>>>> steps and
> > > >>>>>> large amount of disk space which may be necessary currently.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Very truly yours,
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Richard Kreiss
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