Ot; Old Wish list requests
Richard Kreiss
rkreiss at verizon.net
Mon Mar 26 15:06:19 PDT 2018
Mark,
It is always interesting to see how others code in filePro.
Richard Kreiss
GCC Consulting
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Filepro-list [mailto:filepro-list-
> bounces+rkreiss=verizon.net at lists.celestial.com] On Behalf Of Fairlight
via
> Filepro-list
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 5:49 PM
> To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> Subject: Re: Ot; Old Wish list requests
>
> Huh. I assumed that my ISP would have had SSL properly configured for
that
> host. Apparently this was a poor assumption.
>
> http://members.iglou.com/fairlite/wayne_can_stfu_now.tar.gz
>
> That link works. Confirmed just now.
>
> m->
>
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 05:38:23PM -0400, Wayne Smith via Filepro-list
thus
> spoke:
> > Good point Richard, you sir are somebody who has repeatedly helped many
of
> us who like and tell filePro?s story to those who are able to and can
listen. Add
> to it that we make it work everyday for a number of clients.
> >
> > Mark is operating in and on a cloud of his own ....his child-like
insults mean
> nothing to me. His link didn?t even work trying to show something Antique
he
> has written in FP.
> >
> > Wayne Smith
> > Port Orange, Florida
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On Mar 26, 2018, at 5:14 PM, Richard D. Williams via Filepro-list
<filepro-
> list at lists.celestial.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Mark,
> > >
> > > I think everyone on this thread knows who is the "dick" here.
> > >
> > > Why don't you just grow up a little and understand that know one
really
> wants to know what you think.
> > > It is never helpful, except to feed your over blown ego.
> > > You are just a mean person and you can not help yourself.
> > >
> > > I would think in your 43 years you have learned so manners.
> > > Oh that's right, this is the internet. You don't need manners.
> > >
> > > Perfect for you.
> > >
> > > Richard D. Williams
> > >
> > > BTW The way for those of you who think this is too personal, well
Mark
> always goes for the personal insults.
> > >
> > >
> > >> On 3/26/2018 10:45 AM, Fairlight via Filepro-list wrote:
> > >> Oh, you never saw the source in the past when I posted it in...2004?
Huh.
> > >> You must have been too busy being a dick, I guess. Here, let me
> > >> remedy that (the lack of seeing -any- of my code, -not- the 'you
> > >> being a dick', which I doubt can be rectified no matter how much
source
> code I produce):
> > >>
> > >> https://members.iglou.com/fairlite/wayne_can_stfu_now.tar.gz
> > >>
> > >> That's the Fairlight File Sharing System, written in filePro
> > >> against my OneGate CGI software. Ancient code, but it worked fine
> > >> the last time it was actually in use.
> > >>
> > >> </waynes_leg_to_stand_on>
> > >>
> > >> Never come at me that way with a personal attack unless you are
> > >> ready for the consequences, Wayne. In the immortal words of Illidan
> Stormrage:
> > >> "YOU ARE NOT PREPARED!"
> > >>
> > >> Far better and brighter people than you have had a go, and lost.
> > >> You don't intimidate me in the slightest, little man.
> > >>
> > >> (Preemptively, because -someone- will undoubtedly whine about how
> > >> 'poor Wayne' was treated: "He blatantly -asked- for it, pretty much
> literally."
> > >> I feel zero remorse over this one, nor can/will I be made to, so
> > >> don't bother trying.)
> > >>
> > >> Cheers! :)
> > >>
> > >> mark->
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:05:22AM -0500, Wayne Smith via
Filepro-list
> thus spoke:
> > >>> In all the years I have seen you try to berate filePro I have yet
> > >>> to see any examples of what you have written. Why don't you just
> > >>> shut that clap trap of yours and let us fp programmers from level
> > >>> novice to expert, get our work done in peace without your
> > >>> criticism of which has never been welcome or useful in any way.
> > >>>
> > >>> Wayne Smith
> > >>> Port Orange. Florida
> > >>>
> > >>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 11:04 PM, Fairlight via Filepro-list <
> > >>> filepro-list at lists.celestial.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> In the days when your alternatives were assembly, BASIC, or
> > >>>> COBOL, I suppose it made sense as a low barrier-to-entry language.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> These days, it's a bad time investment. You'd be better off
> > >>>> taking the time to learn something proper like Perl or Python,
> > >>>> and develop skills which are more or less transferrable to other
> languages.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I've lost track of the times something went wrong in fP because
> > >>>> either the engine itself was flaky (record locking comes to
> > >>>> mind), or because some obscure part of the language bit someone
> > >>>> squarely in the arse. I'm -not- a fan of strongly typed
> > >>>> languages, but fP takes it too far in the other direction.
> > >>>> Combined with the piss-poor syntax checker and abysmal error
> > >>>> reporting, which mis-report your actual issues more often than they
> illustrate it correctly, the entire combo is just plain aggravating.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In all the time I've used filePro, I don't think an error on
> > >>>> Index.A has
> > >>>> -ever- ACTUALLY been an error on Index.A. Seriously.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> m->
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 11:20:11PM -0400, Richard Kreiss thus
spoke:
> > >>>>> Mark,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> What I posted was written in 1993 well before PCL6.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I think that the new PDF printing option is their way of
> > >>>>> compensating for the inability of their output program to handle
> > >>>>> anything but PCL 3 or 5
> > >>>> on
> > >>>>> the Windows platform.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> It is not a perfect answer but it does work. I think that
> > >>>>> PrintWizard
> > >>>> is a
> > >>>>> much better solution as it doesn't need a lot of rewriting and
> > >>>>> can be
> > >>>> made
> > >>>>> transparent to the user. It also has a lot for flexibility once
> > >>>>> one
> > >>>> learns
> > >>>>> how to use it.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Again, PDF etc. were not options in 1993.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Also, keep in mind that some of the functions which were added
> > >>>>> may be functions that FP Tech needed to maintain their primary
> > >>>>> client. I have discussed the implementing the Spell Checker
> > >>>>> with a few of my clients who are running versions that have it.
None of
> them wanted it implemented.
> > >>>>> However, I did implement the PDF printing for one client who is
> > >>>>> also
> > >>>> using
> > >>>>> PrintWizard. They want to be able to have some form letters
> > >>>>> (with logo) either printed or a PDF created from input
> > >>>>> processing with the ability to select the printer. This seemed
> > >>>>> to be a good place to use filePro's PDF creation option.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I know that filePro is not perfect as it is missing a lot of
> > >>>> functionality
> > >>>>> that other databases have but it is still a programming language
> > >>>>> that
> > >>>> can be
> > >>>>> learned fairly quickly, for doing basic applications. But is
> > >>>>> capable of handling a lot of sophisticated programming. The
> > >>>>> tools are there, one
> > >>>> just
> > >>>>> needs to work out how to use them properly and when necessary
> > >>>>> make use of other programming languages to fill the gaps.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Richard Kreiss
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>> From: Filepro-list [mailto:filepro-list-
> > >>>>>> bounces+rkreiss=verizon.net at lists.celestial.com] On Behalf Of
> > >>>> Fairlight
> > >>>>> via
> > >>>>>> Filepro-list
> > >>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 12:42 PM
> > >>>>>> To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: Ot; Old Wish list requests
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hell, how about emulation of PCL5 -> PCL6, so people can buy
> > >>>>>> any old
> > >>>>> printer
> > >>>>>> they want. Finding affordable PCL5 printers has become a
> > >>>>>> challenge in
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>> last
> > >>>>>> decade or so.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> You'd think that would take precedence over things like...spell
> > >>>> checkers.
> > >>>>>> Also...regex implementation for processing.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Of course, most of this is moot except for a few select clients
> > >>>>>> who
> > >>>>> upgraded.
> > >>>>>> The majority of of my clients haven't moved past 5.0.14, nor do
> > >>>>>> they
> > >>>> plan
> > >>>>> to.
> > >>>>>> m->
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 06:22:19PM +0000, Richard Kreiss via
> > >>>> Filepro-list
> > >>>>> thus
> > >>>>>> spoke:
> > >>>>>>> I came across this letter to Small Computer from 1993. I
> > >>>>>>> think that
> > >>>>> some of
> > >>>>>> the items are still viable requests.
> > >>>>>>> Although some of these have been addressed or are obsolete
> > >>>>>>> such as
> > >>>> using
> > >>>>>> WordPerfect print drivers.
> > >>>>>>> One Item - having one key and many data records making header
> > >>>>>>> and
> > >>>> detail
> > >>>>>> files easier to handle. I was asked, if memory serves, by
> > >>>>>> Howie how do
> > >>>>> this. My
> > >>>>>> answer was, "you're the programmers".
> > >>>>>>> It might be convenient to have a way of linking a header file
> > >>>>>>> to a
> > >>>> data
> > >>>>> file
> > >>>>>> through filePro rather than linking them in programming and
> > >>>>>> using an
> > >>>>> index.
> > >>>>>> Also, it would be convenient to be able to define an output by
> > >>>> assigning
> > >>>>> the each
> > >>>>>> section to a file. As an example the header could be linked
> > >>>>>> directly
> > >>>> to
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>>> necessary fields in the header file. The detail section could
> > >>>>>> be
> > >>>> linked
> > >>>>> to the data
> > >>>>>> file thereby allow real fields to be used rather than using
> > >>>>>> temporary
> > >>>>> fields or
> > >>>>>> vice-versa.
> > >>>>>>> Most of us would like to have the ability to update records
> > >>>>>>> from a
> > >>>>> browse
> > >>>>>> lookup. Yes, I have done this through programming but is a
> > >>>>>> pain to do
> > >>>>> especially
> > >>>>>> getting the popup screen to overlay the browse line properly.
> > >>>>>>> I still would like to have the ability to define a multi-level
> > >>>>>>> array
> > >>>>> similar to what
> > >>>>>> one can do in Basic.
> > >>>>>>> Most of these Wishlist items have not been added.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> See letter below:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Richard Kreiss
> > >>>>>>> 539 Fairway Drive
> > >>>>>>> Woodmere, New York 11598
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> March 24, 1993
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Small Computer Company
> > >>>>>>> 41 Saw Mill River Road.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hawthorne, New York 10532
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Attention: filePro Wish List
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> PRODUCE A MORE COHESIVE MANUAL.
> > >>>>>>> Print one index for all versions 3, 4 and 4.1. It
> > >>>>>>> is
> > >>>> almost
> > >>>>> impossible to
> > >>>>>> find anything if you don't recall what version it comes from.
> > >>>>>>> When new commands are added, give more examples
> > >>>>>>> of how
> > >>>> to
> > >>>>> use
> > >>>>>> the command.
> > >>>>>>> 1. FilePro's Menu: (@once appears to answer this request)
> > >>>>>>> Allow for passing parameters to @pm field by
> > >>>>>>> prompting
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>>>> user for a response. This would be similar to prompting for a
> > >>>>>>> qualifier using the -qm option. You might define this a -rm.
> > >>>>>>> (I realize this may conflict with -rm command on Unix/Xenix
> > >>>>>>> systems)
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 2. Define output:
> > >>>>>>> A. Allow for "Delete Blank Line" control for each
> > >>>> section
> > >>>>> of an output
> > >>>>>> (ie. Header, and each break section).
> > >>>>>>> B. Allow for the defining an absolute line(s) for
a
> > >>>> break
> > >>>>> field(s) to begin
> > >>>>>> printing when defining the output rather the in output
processing.
> > >>>> This
> > >>>>> is
> > >>>>>> especially true when creating a multi-lines form, such as an
> > >>>>>> invoice,
> > >>>> from
> > >>>>> a
> > >>>>>> header file and a detail files or printing checks.
> > >>>>>>> C. Allow for break fields to be defined in
sort/select
> > >>>>> processing.
> > >>>>>>> D. Better control of printers when printing boxes
and
> > >>>>> lines on a report
> > >>>>>> or form.
> > >>>>>>> E. Allow for the importing of graphics when
printing
> > >>>>> reports and
> > >>>>>> forms. (can be done using print codes)
> > >>>>>>> i.e. Logo's etc
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 3. Processing
> > >>>>>>> A. Allow for the defining a specific line for
data to
> > >>>> be
> > >>>>> printed at using a
> > >>>>>> print command - @print("47") which would advance the printer to
> > >>>>>> line 47
> > >>>>> and
> > >>>>>> print out the information to be printed. (This command would be
> > >>>> instead of
> > >>>>> or in
> > >>>>>> addition to 2.B).
> > >>>>>>> B. With filePro 4.X's ability to enter 121
character
> > >>>> per
> > >>>>> line, need the
> > >>>>>> ability to send print control code(s) to the printer when
> > >>>>>> printing
> > >>>>> processing
> > >>>>>> tables. This is especially true if one wants to continue to
> > >>>>>> print
> > >>>>> processing tables
> > >>>>>> using 8½x11 paper by using condensed type. Yes, many new
> > >>>>>> printers will
> > >>>>> allow
> > >>>>>> for controlling this function at the printer. However, older
> > >>>>>> printers
> > >>>>> don't make
> > >>>>>> this that easy and some of us are not necessarily sitting at or
> > >>>>>> near
> > >>>> our
> > >>>>> printer.
> > >>>>>> (Without going to the Printer Definition and initialize in
> > >>>>>> condensed
> > >>>> mode
> > >>>>> each
> > >>>>>> time)
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 4. Define Files:
> > >>>>>>> A. Allow for the creation of a file which allows
for 1
> > >>>>> KEY RECORD to
> > >>>>>> have multiple DATA RECORDS associated with it. This would make
> > >>>>>> it much simpler to handle programs which now require a header
> > >>>>>> file and a detail
> > >>>>> file,
> > >>>>>> which contains multiple records associated with a key field in
> > >>>>>> the
> > >>>> header
> > >>>>> file.
> > >>>>>>> Such programs as order entry and/or
> > >>>>>>> invoicing,
> > >>>> which
> > >>>>> may have a
> > >>>>>> large number of line items associated with them would be easier
> > >>>>>> to work
> > >>>>> with.
> > >>>>>>> B. Have a memo field edit which can be used to
add
> > >>>>> comments to a
> > >>>>>> record. (Finally available)
> > >>>>>>> C. Add binary field type for graphics display on
> > >>>> screen
> > >>>>> (and outputs).
> > >>>>>> (available but doesn't allow for display)
> > >>>>>>> 5. Updating Records:
> > >>>>>>> A. Allow for the updating of multiple records
while
> > >>>> using
> > >>>>> browse. This
> > >>>>>> function is available in dBase and some other data base
> > >>>>>> managers and
> > >>>> makes
> > >>>>> it
> > >>>>>> very simple to handle the updating of multiple line items such
> > >>>>>> as
> > >>>> during
> > >>>>> Accounts
> > >>>>>> Payable or Accounts Receivable data payment entry. This would
> > >>>>>> include
> > >>>>> doing
> > >>>>>> processing on each record updated.
> > >>>>>>> B. Allow for full program control of function
keys at
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>> field level
> > >>>>>> when using when processing.
> > >>>>>>> C. Allow for the redefining of the function keys
> > >>>>>>> when in
> > >>>>> input processing
> > >>>>>> so that when a specific function key is pressed, no matter what
> > >>>>>> field
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>> cursor is
> > >>>>>> in, the action takes place.
> > >>>>>>> D. Allow for multi-level arrays
> > >>>>>>> i.e. dim array ("1","50") = array(1) to
> > >>>>>>> array(50)
> > >>>>> defined once or dim
> > >>>>>> array ("1", ct) = array(1) to whatever variable "ct" equals,
> > >>>>>> allowing
> > >>>> for
> > >>>>> variable
> > >>>>>> number of array elements depending on requirements. This would
> > >>>>>> be very
> > >>>>> useful
> > >>>>>> when a header an detail files have been defined and the details
> > >>>>>> are
> > >>>>> entered from
> > >>>>>> the header file and posted to the detail file after all details
> > >>>>>> are
> > >>>>> entered as on
> > >>>>>> order entry.
> > >>>>>>> 6. DEFINE PRINTERS
> > >>>>>>> Allow for the entry in the printer definition
> > >>>>>>> table, the
> > >>>>> number of
> > >>>>>> characters/inch for the defined font. This information would
> > >>>>>> be used
> > >>>> when
> > >>>>>> "RESOLVING" fields. this would allow for easier alignment of
> > >>>>>> fields
> > >>>> when
> > >>>>> using
> > >>>>>> other than a 10 pitch font.
> > >>>>>>> Make a deal with WordPerfect Corporation to use
> > >>>>>>> their
> > >>>>> Printer Drivers.
> > >>>>>>> Modify output programs to use WordPerfect printer drivers.
> > >>>>>>> This is
> > >>>>> possible as
> > >>>>>> they have drivers for their programs running all the platforms
> > >>>>>> that
> > >>>>> filePro runs
> > >>>>>> on.
> > >>>>>>> This will allow for the most flexible report
> > >>>>>>> generator
> > >>>> for
> > >>>>> any database
> > >>>>>> program. Full use of all printer functions including printing
> > >>>>>> graphics
> > >>>>> would be
> > >>>>>> possible. This is especially true of laser and inkjet printers
> > >>>>>> which
> > >>>> are
> > >>>>> awkward to
> > >>>>>> handle now.
> > >>>>>>> 7. Create a "PACK" command option which would look
through a
> > >>>>> file and
> > >>>>>> remove blank records. This would be much easier the present
> > >>>>>> multiple
> > >>>>> steps and
> > >>>>>> large amount of disk space which may be necessary currently.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Very truly yours,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Richard Kreiss
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