Hosting filepro off-site

Wed Nov 9 18:25:07 PST 2016

If your boss wants to get IT out of business, there are companies that will
host a windows application server offsite where you can install filepro,
print wizard and whatnot. Microsoft does application publishing similar
citrix. You can access your applications through an online https web portal
with a username and password.

You can also setup windows PCs on your network to connect automatically to
this same portal and it will publish your filepro applications right to
their desktop.

If you are using print wizard to print converted PDFs, then your users
would be able to print to their own remote desktop ported printers.

If you need printers to be installed on the server, you can set them up to
print to the outside ip address of your firewall and then each of them
prints to a different port number 9100, 9101, 9102 etc.. Then make rules in
your firewall to port forward outside ip and port number to inside ip of
your local printer:9100.

You can have many users run sessions on the server. Everything would be run
from the server side. No vpn tunnels, just ssl certificate based encryption.

This would be pricier of course than a hosted unix server and telnet.

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>    4. Re: Hosting filePro off-site (Fairlight)
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> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 18:32:31 +0000 (UTC)
> From: neroni3000 at comcast.net
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> Subject: Hosting filePro off-site
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> If you run filePro on a remotely hosted server, how do you access it?
> Does it then still work as a client/server system, in which filePro
> programs download to your workstation and then read and write
> data to the server Or is all the processing done at the server level,
> and your workstation just gets the results through displays
> and pass through printing?
> Sorry I can't ask the question more intelligently, but I'm sure you
> understand what I am asking.
>
> Del neroni
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> From: Fairlight <fairlite at fairlite.com>
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> One accesses it via ssh, for *nix-based systems.  That would be the idiom I
> would recommend.  You could use AnzioWin if you need pass-through printing,
> or PuTTY if you don't.  All processing and program execution is done on the
> hosting server in this scenario, with only screen draws (and any
> pass-through printing) going to the remote terminal.
>
> Windows...is going to be a headache for remote access.  You'd be looking
> at a few possible different ways of handling it, none of them nearly
> as pretty.  It's not pretty.  I would give a strong warn-off for this
> solution.
>
> mark->
>
> On Wed, Nov 09, 2016 at 06:32:31PM +0000, Delmont Neroni via Filepro-list
> thus spoke:
> > If you run filePro on a remotely hosted server, how do you access it?
> > Does it then still work as a client/server system, in which filePro
> > programs download to your workstation and then read and write
> > data to the server Or is all the processing done at the server level,
> > and your workstation just gets the results through displays
> > and pass through printing?
> > Sorry I can't ask the question more intelligently, but I'm sure you
> > understand what I am asking.
> >
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> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 14:24:58 -0500
> From: "Scott Walker" <scottwalker1956 at gmail.com>
> To: <neroni3000 at comcast.net>
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> Del,
>
> It probably depends on the operating system.
>
> I know that a hosted Linux server, works pretty much the same as if I had
> the server in the office down the hall.  Just think of it as the server in
> the office down the VERY LONG HALL.  With modern internet speeds,  to the
> user it seems no different in terms of response speed and screen snap.
>
> I've never been a fan of fp running on a Windows server and I don't know
> much about it, either locally or on a hosted server.  Just that it has
> always been way slower on a local server so I would expect that to be the
> same on a hosted Windows server.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Walker
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 1:33 PM
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> Subject: Hosting filePro off-site
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> If you run filePro on a remotely hosted server, how do you access it?
> Does it then still work as a client/server system, in which filePro
> programs
> download to your workstation and then read and write data to the server Or
> is all the processing done at the server level, and your workstation just
> gets the results through displays and pass through printing?
> Sorry I can't ask the question more intelligently, but I'm sure you
> understand what I am asking.
>
> Del neroni
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> From: Fairlight <fairlite at fairlite.com>
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> On Wed, Nov 09, 2016 at 02:24:58PM -0500, Scott Walker via Filepro-list
> thus spoke:
> >
> > I've never been a fan of fp running on a Windows server and I don't know
> > much about it, either locally or on a hosted server.  Just that it has
> > always been way slower on a local server so I would expect that to be the
> > same on a hosted Windows server.
>
> I wasn't going to dive into it, but there are a few options...
>
> 1) Actual native filePro over a VPN, in which case all your index/key data
> which would normally be read on the LAN will go over the WAN via the VPN.
> This will impact speed; the degree to which it alters the speed depends
> upon the network bandwidth available.  However, in cases where you may be
> reading a whole 2GB (or more in 5.6+) file -plus- index data in order to
> run a full report are going to be painful even on 300mbit connections.  Not
> recommended.
>
> 2) RDP of some sort.  I personally find RDP to be a very inefficient way to
> work, and even the best RDP software out there is prone to occasional
> redraw issues.  I don't recommend this for anything but casual or
> periodic-of-necessity work.
>
> There is no way I can see of working remotely on native Windows filePro
> which is actually ideal.  I would never recommend it being adopted as the
> primary model.  RDP once in a while is fine, but as the mainstay, no.
>
> mark->
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> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 20:20:19 +0000 (UTC)
> From: neroni3000 at comcast.net
> To: Fairlight <fairlite at fairlite.com>
> Cc: "List, Filepro" <filepro-list at lists.celestial.com>
> Subject: Re: Hosting filePro off-site
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> Thanks for the reply
> Yes, this is a Windows based server, the client is moving to a new office
> and wants to, in his words, "get out of the IT business".
> Which I interpret as meaning he no longer wants to have an in-house server
> and local area network, be responsible for backups, security, and all of
> that.
> My concern is that we interface filePro with third party products like
> Printwizard, Sage Accounting, 1099Fire, and so forth.  These systems mostly
> run on the individual workstations, not the server.  I worry that it would
> create operational problems if they only run on the server in a remotely
> hosted situation.
> I guess we could access the remote server using remote desktop, but how
> many people could access it simultaneously that way?
>
> Del
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 2:17:42 PM
> Subject: Re: Hosting filePro off-site
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> One accesses it via ssh, for *nix-based systems.  That would be the idiom I
> would recommend.  You could use AnzioWin if you need pass-through printing,
> or PuTTY if you don't.  All processing and program execution is done on the
> hosting server in this scenario, with only screen draws (and any
> pass-through printing) going to the remote terminal.
>
> Windows...is going to be a headache for remote access.  You'd be looking
> at a few possible different ways of handling it, none of them nearly
> as pretty.  It's not pretty.  I would give a strong warn-off for this
> solution.
>
> mark->
>
> On Wed, Nov 09, 2016 at 06:32:31PM +0000, Delmont Neroni via Filepro-list
> thus spoke:
> > If you run filePro on a remotely hosted server, how do you access it?
> > Does it then still work as a client/server system, in which filePro
> > programs download to your workstation and then read and write
> > data to the server Or is all the processing done at the server level,
> > and your workstation just gets the results through displays
> > and pass through printing?
> > Sorry I can't ask the question more intelligently, but I'm sure you
> > understand what I am asking.
> >
> > Del neroni
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> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 21:11:07 +0000
> From: Robert Haussmann <haussma at nextdimension.net>
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> Del--I can recommend Georgia Softworks telnet server for Windows for
> situations like this (Windows environment).  This could be done either
> directly, or over VPN (I recommend the latter for security purposes).  Your
> clients would run either the Georgia Softworks telnet/SSH client (or any
> telnet/SSH client actually) and it's as if you were telnetting/SSHing into
> a *nix server (based on my limited knowledge here).  The filePro
> executables all run on the server, so the only thing going "over the wire"
> are keystrokes/screen display.
>
> Not sure about printing in such a setup--we do this all locally (with the
> printers defined on the server as networked printers).  I would imagine
> that you could use site-to-site VPN to create a similar setup (defining
> printers, if they are networked, on the client side such that the server
> can see them over the site to site connection).
>
> Bob
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> nextdimension.net at lists.celestial.com] On Behalf Of Fairlight via
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 2:38 PM
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> Subject: Re: Hosting filePro off-site
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> On Wed, Nov 09, 2016 at 02:24:58PM -0500, Scott Walker via Filepro-list
> thus spoke:
> >
> > I've never been a fan of fp running on a Windows server and I don't
> > know much about it, either locally or on a hosted server.  Just that
> > it has always been way slower on a local server so I would expect that
> > to be the same on a hosted Windows server.
>
> I wasn't going to dive into it, but there are a few options...
>
> 1) Actual native filePro over a VPN, in which case all your index/key data
> which would normally be read on the LAN will go over the WAN via the VPN.
> This will impact speed; the degree to which it alters the speed depends
> upon the network bandwidth available.  However, in cases where you may be
> reading a whole 2GB (or more in 5.6+) file -plus- index data in order to
> run a full report are going to be painful even on 300mbit connections.  Not
> recommended.
>
> 2) RDP of some sort.  I personally find RDP to be a very inefficient way
> to work, and even the best RDP software out there is prone to occasional
> redraw issues.  I don't recommend this for anything but casual or
> periodic-of-necessity work.
>
> There is no way I can see of working remotely on native Windows filePro
> which is actually ideal.  I would never recommend it being adopted as the
> primary model.  RDP once in a while is fine, but as the mainstay, no.
>
> mark->
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