Licensing
Mike Fedkiw
mikefedkiwfp at aol.com
Thu Jun 26 12:36:06 PDT 2014
One of the main reasons I was thinking about upgrading was to get beyond the 2gig limitations on the key segments of the files. Does anyone know if that's even possible on any version released before the implementation of the licensing manager?
Thank you, Mike
On Jun 23, 2014, Dennis Malen <dmalen at malen.com> wrote:
>Nancy,
>
>That is exactly why we and others have not upgraded. Each user usually
>has a
>minimum of 3 windows open at any one time.
>
>I love filePro and would love to upgrade and continue with this most
>efficient and robust data management system.
>
>If filePro considered a change, they would sell many more software
>packages.
>
>Perhaps we should have a user meeting again and approach filePro to
>consider
>a change. Your Quick Books analogy is spot on.
>
>Dennis Malen
>
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>From: filepro-list-bounces+dmalen=malen.com at lists.celestial.com
>[mailto:filepro-list-bounces+dmalen=malen.com at lists.celestial.com] On
>Behalf
>Of Nancy Palmquist
>Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 12:31 PM
>To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
>Subject: Re: Licensing
>
>I fully agree with Mark and Mike.
>
>The Unix world is comfortable with the window/seat relationship because
>it
>is not the environment where people open piles of windows to jump from
>one
>app to another, it never was. The systems were always one session and
>one
>licenses.
>
>But filePro went from no control or limit at all on Windows systems, to
>the
>same kind of model with window/seat and the market for windows users is
>totally different. I have many windows applications and none work on
>that
>model it is always per seat. I can open multiple documents or
>spreadsheets
>to work on at the same time. The Windows server only tracks the user
>as
>using one session and not using different sessions for each open
>filepro
>window. The expectation on Windows is totally different by the end
>user.
>
>I have always thought that the license model for Windows was not suited
>to
>the Windows market at all.
>
>The filePro application is a tool for handling data, it does not
>provide the
>data or the development that makes the data work. For example, I can
>buy
>Quickbooks that offers the runtime tool and the fully developed
>application
>already developed and ready to roll for $199 (roughly). To buy a
>single
>user filepro runtime license will will pay $295. That is without any
>application development at all.
>
>If I have a business with 50 employees that all need access to filepro,
>I am
>paying $6,250 for each user to get one open window into filepro.
>(They do offer those seats at $125 per user.) Now say the customer
>gladly
>paid that thinking they were buying seats and now it is time to upgrade
>them
>to 5.7 and we take a survey and find that on average our 50 employees
>open
>80 windows plus we run automated processes that open 2 more and I have
>82
>windows at a cost of $10,250 or $4,000 more for using the system
>exactly as
>we did in 5.0 but now the licensing is watching windows and not seats.
>How
>do you explain the additional $4,000 cost to a customer?
>
>Now I have seen the annual pricing subscription that will give the
>customer
>all future upgrade for at no charge, but did not think the advancements
>in
>filepro are providing value for that additional cost, all I get is the
>ability to budget my costs and pay for future upgrades before any are
>released.
>
>I also still see the entire license scheme as unworkable for a
>distributed
>piece of software. Requiring a file to be collected and saved to
>activate
>the license, instead of supplying an activation code that can typed in
>to a
>screen is a huge issue for my customers in the windows world.
>
>Well - I have to stop now. I will rant on this all day. Sorry but
>this had
>been a huge issue for my customers on Windows systems and I can not see
>any
>good solution - except retire and be done with it.
>
>Nancy
>
>On 6/21/2014 4:02 PM, Fairlight wrote:
>> That's the way it works. Each window eats a seat.
>>
>> And you're far from the only person thinking it. I can think of
>three
>> major clients who would upgrade almost immediately if it weren't for
>> the license manager bullshit - even figuring in the exhorbitant
>upgrade
>costs.
>> The main thing keeping people on 5.0.14 is the licence manager, full
>stop.
>>
>> mark->
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 09:54:47AM -0400, Mike Fedkiw thus spoke:
>>> So if I'm understanding this correctly, it's pretty much the windows
>that
>eat up licenses. If I have three separate Windows of filepro open on my
>computer I'm pretty much using three licenses running Windows server 03
>or
>08. If that's the way it works now, at least that would be an easier
>way for
>me to determine exactly or approximately how many licenses I'd need to
>purchase.
>>>
>>> If I'm wrong in what I'm thinking, I freaking give up, yet again. I
>wonder who else thinks that filepro could be loosing a hell of a lot
>more
>money than they're making by implementing this ridiculous licensing
>crap.
>It's kept me from updating for years now and still might. I'm sure I'm
>not
>the only one that feels that way.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On Jun 21, 2014, Fairlight <fairlite at fairlite.com> wrote:
>>>> In the system case, in 5.7, no extra licenses are used. Pre-5.7,
>>>> each uses a license seat.
>>>>
>>>> If you want to post to the list, you could hit reply and change the
>
>>>> recipient to filepro-list at lists.celestial.com in your mail client.
>>>>
>>>> mark->
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 11:36:29PM -0400, Mike Fedkiw thus spoke:
>>>>> Okay, I'm still confused here, what happens when I'm in dclerk
>
>>>>> and
>>>> do a
>>>>> system command to open another dclerk and then another and
>>>> another.Â
>>>>> I've written some processing where I could possibly be six
>>>>> levels
>>>> deep
>>>>> into those dclerks, does each of those commands eat up another
>>>> license?
>>>>> If that's the case, I could possibly need to buy up to or even
>>>> more
>>>>> than fifty licenses for six computers, that just seems
>ridiculous.
>>>> It
>>>>> can't really be like that, can it
>>>>> The other thing is that I'm confused as how to reply to this
>so it
>>>>> would get posted to the list. I'm thinking that only you are
>>>>> going
>>>> to
>>>>> see this reply.
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 20, 2014, Fairlight wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You must buy enough seats to cover every active "user". On a SCO
>>>> text
>>>>> console (but not Linux text consoles), all the main consoles count
>
>>>>> as
>>>> one
>>>>> seat. I -believe- FacetWin had some sort of arrangement that made
>>>> Facet
>>>>> akin to the SCO console that way...but on SCO, not Linux, if
>memory
>>>> serves.
>>>>> Other than that, every time you invoke clerk, cabe, report,
>>>>> ddefine,
>>>> etc.,
>>>>> you're eating a license. I don't think runmenu eats any, but
>could
>>>> be
>>>>> wrong.
>>>>> About the only upside to 5.7.x is that a SYSTEM to a clerk or
>>>>> report
>>>> no
>>>>> longer takes another user seat from the license pool. Something
>>>> which
>>>>> should have been done back in 4.5, IMNSHO. Not for lack of
>>>>> begging, bitching, moaning, and general complaining from the
>>>>> community for
>>>> years.
>>>>> Now they've "fixed" it, and
>>>>> "nobody" (few) want to buy the new product with its attendant
>>>>> license manager.
>>>>> But except in very specific and rare instances, yes, every open
>>>> instance is
>>>>> a "user".
>>>>> mark->
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 09:38:05PM -0400, Mike Fedkiw thus spoke:
>>>>>
>>>>> I know this has probably been gone over multiple times by
>now, I
>>>>> think I've actually seen it being talked about but it just
>>>> seemed
>>>>> confusing to me.
>>>>> I'm still so confused as to what id actually have to buy to
>>>>> be
>>>> able
>>>>> to use the most current version of filepro.
>>>>> I am pretty much the only one that uses the development but
>>>>> I'll
>>>> at
>>>>> times have 3-4 Windows of it open while working on
>something.
>>>>> My
>>>> emp
>>>>> loyees also usually have multiple Windows open on each
>terminal.
>>>> Now
>>>>> if I have to buy a license for every open window, even if
>>>>> it's
>>>> on
>>>>> the same machine, that's just ridiculous.
>>>>> Let's see, at any given time there could possibly be 15+
>>>> filepro's
>>>>> running although I've only got 6 computers not counting the
>>>> server
>>>>> which is still on server 2003.
>>>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated, Mike
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