show only browse

Bruce Easton bruce at stn.com
Sun Sep 19 07:49:55 PDT 2010 

John - I do apologize for sounding arrogant about this.  I do really take your
enormous input on this forum very seriously, so regardless of how I feel about
an issue, you should be treated kindly.  I was more than a little arrogant.

I did pre-test the very simple solution that I provided for Richard's  question.
 I now realize that in my code, it is the "display (sn)" command which is
restoring the original screen that is bringing down the browse, not @key ending
as I had previously asserted.  The rapidly moving target of trials and questions
(for along time without anyone except me providing any code), utilizing @entsel
and other techniques did not leave me to test my working example differently. 
So I was wrong about the ending of @key.  When I saw your last post, asserting
the need for clearb, I looked again at my working code and realized no, you
don't necessarily have to use clearb.   I think it would have helped me, others
and future readers if someone would have responded to the simple example I
posted and would have responded much earlier to mis-information that I was
giving with respect to the @key ending. If I've already posted a good example,
and then treated like I'm in a vacuum, no wonder I'm going to continue to post
incorrect info.  For instance, I believe, to date, no one besides me has
commented on the usage of the display command for this.

But again, I apologize for my arrogance towards you and the other posters - I
should know that serves no purpose.

Bruce

Bruce Easton
STN, Inc.




Quoting John Esak <john at valar.com>:
> 
> 
> I'm sorry Bruce your "statements" were ignored because they are dead
> wrong.
> You are a little arrogant in passing them on as the way things are when
> filepro does not work that way.   I think everyone is trying and has
> been
> trying to tell you that @key processing absolutely does NOT bring down
> a
> browse... Show=only.  Perhaps, Richard's confusion was aided and abetted
> by
> all the misinformation that *you* were injecting into the thread, just
> as
> you have done here in this message.  
> 
> Will you please show me in the source code, or have Ken print out the
> precise command that clears a show=only browse when an @key is
> pressed....
> At any point in there... Go ahead... I'm waiting.  Oops, but wait a
> minute,
> you are so completely wrong about this, that I'll be waiting quite a
> while.
> Maybe I won't hold my breath.  Um, id you ever stop to think that using
> @key
> to put up a show=only browse would be immensely moronic if it were
> *immediately* cleared by the @key itself?  Guess not.
> 
> I wouldn't mind you spreading misinformation... We all do it, you a
> little
> more than most, and more forcefully... But try and have some humility
> man.
> It's good for the soul.
> 
> John 
> 
> P.S. - Sorry for the direct rudeness, I just copy on to what has been
> messaged to me as you know.  Treat me nicely, I treat you nicely in
> return.
> Treat me like dirt, and I treat you like dirt in return.  I know it's
> hard
> for some to understand this mode... But after 30+ years of this kind of
> shit... I  am just too tired to play games over stupidity.  To think
> that a
> browse is automatically brought down because it is done in an @key
> displays
> a total lack of understanding, but more importantly tells very clearly
> that
> you didn't even take the 11 seconds it would have taken you to just
> *try* it
> yourself.  So, arrogance and stupidity, good combination.  Good luck.
> 
> Now, this is where everyone says, Oh John, you're so mean. Of course,
> they
> won't add up the time wasted by the idiotic comments in the thread. 
> No,
> instead they will just leave the list like Alan did. (By the way, he
> called
> me and told me *why* he was leaving... I'm not "assuming" anything
> here.)
> 
> For anyone sucked into this very bad and misinformed ending to this
> thread,
> I apologize.  However, check out the behavior Bruce exhibits when he
> realizes he was wrong.  Do you think the word "apologize" will come
> out?
> Let's see.  This should be educational.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: filepro-list-bounces+john=valar.com at lists.celestial.com 
> > [mailto:filepro-list-bounces+john=valar.com at lists.celestial.co
> > m] On Behalf Of Bruce Easton
> > Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 1:38 PM
> > To: Filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> > Subject: RE: show only browse
> > 
> > Two inline posts below - Bruce, STN, Inc. 
> > 
> > Quoting John Esak <john at valar.com>:
> > > 
> > > Richard,
> > > 
> > > I'm one of those who got caught up in your first description and
> > > surmised
> > > that you wanted to do something a little different than the final
> > > explanation.  My apologies.  But, honestly, if this is your *final*
> > > code, I
> > > don't understand why you even need a SWITCHTO since putting up a
> > > show=only
> > > browse does NOT change the current screen. But even more 
> > important, you
> > > *still* don't have the single thing Ken, and I and everyone 
> > was asking
> > 
> > because IT IS NOT NEEDED.  The mis-information continues.
> > 
> > > for... A specific command that takes the browse down. Why not put a
> > > ;clearb
> > > immediately after the   show "@"?  As far as I know, and Ken will
> > > confirm..
> > > . SWITCHTO does NOT clear a browse.  So, nothing is 
> > learned, nothing is
> > > gained.  It works for the nebulous reasons Mark mentioned. 
> > (Of course,
> > > I
> > > don't know where this code is, @ekey, @entsel, AUTO... It's 
> > all in the
> > > huge
> > > thread somewhere, but if this is finality... It doesn't clear up
> > > anything.)
> > > Don't worry, I know the pressures of just handling one's 
> > everyday work
> > > doesn't allow time for these niggling threads, that we 
> > sometimes put up
> > > just
> > > to help others in the first place.  But, just for me, would 
> > you please
> > > assert that you *do* know there should be a CLEARB somewhere.  
> > 
> > NOT TRUE. Not needed for that type of browse where @key 
> > processing will end.  NO 
> > wonder Richard was confused with questions being asked of 
> > him.  Maybe people do 
> > not understand the difference between @key and other triggers 
> > with respect to 
> > how they affect other commands. I guess again, my other post 
> > about what is 
> > clearing the browse in this case, where I stated it was the 
> > @key processing 
> > ending, was ignored.  
> > 
> > > I mean,
> > > just
> > > because SWITCHTO clears the screen and puts up a new screen 
> > without any
> > > of
> > > the old browse shown again... Does not mean it was brought down
> > > correctly.
> > > That is not a functional part of SWITCHTO, it's just an accidental
> > > effect.
> > > Ken was asking were you doing any of these things that 
> > might clear the
> > > browse sort of accidentally, I do not think he was suggesting it as
> > > good
> > > programming.  -John
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Browse
> > > > show "@"
> > > > switchtoo sn  (browse closes)
> > > > END
> > > > 
> > > > Richard
> > > 
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