I don't see the emails from the list.

[Brian K. White]

Bill is not blocking anything.
Get even a shred of an idea what you're talking about, then have opinions 
and make accusations about it.

SCOMP is a complaint, sent to Bill, that happens when an AOL user receives a 
list message and clicks on  "this is spam." What else should you do with 
such a user that signs up for a list and then accuses it of spamming them? 
They asked to be removed from the list so he did.

Frankly he's doing them a service they don't deserve. By rights, they should 
actually stay on the list and continue to receive the messages untill they 
unsubscribe. Hitting the spam button to trigger a chain of events that just 
happens along the way to also cause Bill himself (or scripts he had to 
develop) to have to unsubscribe you, because you can't be bothered to read 
the unsibscribe directions, is really an abuse of the system and other 
peoples time. Not to mention libel & slander. When you go out of your way to 
do something, it's not unreasonable to expect you to be responsible for 
undoing it. But if Bill didn't go out of his way to grant them their wish, 
Bills domain would get blocked by AOL.

If you clicked "delete" on a printer in windows, do you expect Bill Gates to 
fix your printer that suddenly stopped working for "no reason" ? If 
Microsoft had some button right in the faild-to-print dialog that said "Mark 
HP printers as broken junk that stops working" can HP really help the fact 
that you're an idiot that clicks on things without reading?

http://www.aota.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-18709.html

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wayne Smith" <SmittyUSN1 at BellSouth.net>
To: <filepro-list at lists.celestial.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: I don't see the emails from the list.


Referencing small note at bottom about  AOL, when you decided to filter out
all there email out you alienated about half the USA based on web ISP
statistics.

Wayne Smith
Port Orange, Florida

-------Original Message-------

From: Bill Campbell
Date: 9/26/2007 12:44:33 PM
To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
Subject: Re: I don't see the emails from the list.

On Wed, Sep 26, 2007, Kenneth Brody wrote:
>Quoting Mike Fedko (Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:02:31 -0400):
>
>> I have subscribed to the filepro list. I don't get any emails from
>> the list. The only response I received from the list is one from
>> Mike Schwartz who also sent it direct to my email also. Can someone
>> help with this.
>
>Well, they're definitely coming through.  And, as I recall, this list
>is set up so that only subscribers can post.  (Bill can confirm or
>refute this.)  And, had messages to you been bouncing, you would have
>been unsubscribed.

Yes, the list is subscriber only, but I regularly approve
legitimate postings from non-subscribers.

I've seen Mailman suspend subscriptions to one or more
adelphia addresses as a result of multiple bounces.  I don't
remember the details, but the bounces may well have been things
like exceeding quotas.

>So, it sounds like the messages are being sent to you, but something
>on your end is filtering them out.  Check with your ISP.  Perhaps they
>have implemented some "silent" filtering, which simply throws anything
>that they decide is spam into the bit bucket without informing the
>sender or recipient.

Some ISPs are using ``grey listing'', a process in which messages
are initially rejected with a 400 series SMTP message, later to
be accepted.  The idea is that legitimate MTAs (Mail Transport
Agents) will retry later while spammer's malware probably won't.
This may result in delays sending messages to these ISPs.

On a somewhat related note, e-mail complaints to AOL that result
in AOL's sending us ``SCOMP'' notices will result in the related
address being removed from the list without notice.

Bill
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