Shameless Plug for John's Packages

[John Esak]

No thanks so much Richard... but please... let's nip this in the bud. :-)  
Much appreciated... this thread should go away.

John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: filepro-list-bounces+john=valar.com at lists.celestial.com
> [mailto:filepro-list-bounces+john=valar.com at lists.celestial.com]On
> Behalf Of Richard Kreiss
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 7:37 AM
> To: 'Bob Stockler'
> Cc: 'Filepro_List'
> Subject: RE: Shameless Plug for John's Packages
> 
> 
> Bob,
> 
> I'll Second that!!!!
> 
> All in favor, please reply.....
> 
> Richard Kreiss
> GCC Consulting
>   
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bob Stockler [mailto:bob at trebor.iglou.com] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:19 PM
> > To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> > Subject: Re: Shameless Plug for John's Packages
> > 
> > Top post for John . . .
> > 
> > Great writeup (rightup!), Mark !!!
> > 
> > John Esak should be declared and annointed as "THE filePro 
> > PERSON of the CENTURIES".
> > 
> > He's done more to promote (and teach) filePro than the owners 
> > of the product ever have.
> > 
> > I first met John in person at a TCBUG (Tandy Computer 
> > Business Users Group) convention in Fort Worth, TX.  He was 
> > wearing some telescopic spectacles made by an optometrist in 
> > Philadelphia, whom I knew from my managing a retail optical business.
> > 
> > Next, we became better acquainted by being fellow Sysops on 
> > CompuServe Forums dealing with filePro and SCO Xenix/UNIX.
> > 
> > Then John published THE GURU magazine (for which I wrote a 
> > number of articles), and also, later, THE filePro COOKBOOK.
> > During that time he also hosted two conferences in Virginia, 
> > near his then home, promoting and teaching filePro (among 
> > other things - one of which was shell programmingm which I 
> > taught ... in spite of Bill Campbell's disruption).  
> > 
> > At one of those conferences I got to meet Dave Rogger (sp?), 
> > Ken Brody, and Laura Weathers (now Laura Brody), the top 
> > three programmers at filePro at the time.  Dave left, Laura 
> > married Ken, and that's where we are now.
> > 
> > I nominate:
> > 
> >   John Esak as the "THE filePro PERSON of the CENTURIES".
> > 
> > Bob
> > 
> > In-Reply-To: <20070327163107.A28554 at iglou.com>
> > 
> > Mark Luljak wrote (on Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 04:31:07PM -0400):
> > 
> > | Hi Folks,
> > | 
> > | Just writing to rather shamelessly plug John's work (work being in 
> > | both senses of the word, product and effort).
> > | 
> > | I know a lot of you have gotten the Survivor Series and the 
> > GL package 
> > | but I'm sure there are some that haven't that could benefit from 
> > | either or both, and some that got it that don't realise 
> > just what a bargain they got.
> > | 
> > | I've personally seen the quality work that John does, and I truly 
> > | believe his experience, instruction, and presentation 
> > quality is top notch.
> > | 
> > | What makes it so incredible is how accessible he's made it for this 
> > | community.  I knew firsthand from some of the projects I've 
> > done how 
> > | much work goes into each one, so I already thought it was a 
> > steal and 
> > | twenty halves.  (Yes, 11 steals!)
> > | 
> > | But...  I was just researching what going rates for video 
> > production 
> > | of this type actually run on the common market.  A check of a 
> > | well-respected video production house in a community I just 
> > got into 
> > | lists the following in their fee schedule:  "3-5 minute 
> > tutorial video chapter $1,400 - $1,800"
> > | 
> > | That's 3-5 minutes for $1400-1800, folks.  Granted, that's 
> > production 
> > | costs, not retail value when you resell it.  But when you 
> > consider the 
> > | rather limited market John's product is targetted to, and the sheer
> > | -enormity- of both the quantity and quality that he put 
> > together and 
> > | the production time involved for each segment...  Well, John, I'll 
> > | return the favour you've done me a few times and say you should be 
> > | charging way more than you are!  You're giving away the 
> > homeworld, man!
> > | 
> > | Anyone that's been sitting on the fence over cost, realise 
> > this is an 
> > | absolute rock-bottom steal of a price he's offering--and for 
> > | high-quality instruction that you're -not- going to get 
> > anywhere else.  
> > | You learn from the best at a fraction of what you'd pay to 
> > learn far less anywhere else.
> > | I believed it all along, and my opinion has only multiplied by a 
> > | factor of several times after doing some research.
> > | 
> > | And I know John and his belief in quality and attention to 
> > detail.  I 
> > | truly believe that (especially from what I've seen) you're getting 
> > | top-shelf, high quality material.  He just won't let it out 
> > the door 
> > | if he knows there's a problem, and he'll bend over 
> > backwards to make 
> > | it right if there is, by some wild fluke, even a tiny problem.  The 
> > | man has overnighted replacements based on a mislabeled 
> > disc, if memory 
> > | serves.  I don't know many people that do business that 
> > way--I surely wish more did!
> > | 
> > | It is just -amazing- what this man is doing for this community.  
> > | Anyone not taking him up on his offers is only shortchanging 
> > | themselves.  I can't help but think that after looking at market 
> > | prices and especially now knowing what's all involved in the 
> > | production process.  When I used to work in stage lighting, 
> > I gained 
> > | an immense respect for the amount of work that goes into stage 
> > | productions, both theatrical and your garden variety concert light 
> > | shows.  Same thing here after having immersed myself in 
> > video production for even a short time.
> > | 
> > | John surely didn't ask for this plug, and surely doesn't 
> > need my help.  
> > | His work speaks for itself.  But he's a great guy, he steadfastly 
> > | believes in true quality, and he can provide insight into 
> > things that 
> > | nobody else would even come close to; so by every 
> > qualification in my 
> > | own philosophy, he deserves a lot of praise just for doing 
> > | -everything- right--and then offering it to the community 
> > for such a 
> > | fraction of what would be a reasonable ROI that it's 
> > practically free 
> > | by comparison.  You can't do anything but respect that, and 
> > I surely do.
> > | 
> > | To say nothing of the time involved in doing his GL package and his 
> > | bundle price.  Dear Lord, that is an INCREDIBLE deal.  Code you can 
> > | rip wholly or in part, learn from and/or use, plus you get 
> > the videos!  
> > | I don't even want to contemplate the amount of time, work, and love 
> > | and dedication you put in on spec, John, but you have my sincere 
> > | admiration for finishing that project and releasing it.
> > | 
> > | And John, all I can say is that I think you deserve a lot 
> > more than a 
> > | public nod of recognition.  You've always given a lot in this 
> > | community, but sitting back and -seriously- looking at the 
> > amount of 
> > | time you've sat back alone and produced this quality work and then 
> > | made it that accessible to everyone, it's just immensely 
> > humbling and awe-inspiring.
> > | Hats off to you, and I wish that I had your spirit of generosity, 
> > | because it really is a phenomenal spirit of giving!  Which is just 
> > | like you, but still...deserves recognition in my opinion.  
> > When people 
> > | do something I feel is wrong or subpar, I'm the first to bitch 
> > | strenuously.  When people do something right--I feel they deserve 
> > | equal measure of praise.  And this would be a lot of that 
> > praise right 
> > | here... :) I could go on for several hundred more screens, 
> > but you get 
> > | the idea...can't sing the praises loud enough.
> > | 
> > | This community has it -really- good with John doing things like 
> > | this...way better than most of it probably realises.  Most 
> > communities 
> > | never see this level of dedication and selfless giving on 
> > the whole, 
> > | let alone from a single individual.  I hope people fully appreciate 
> > | the effort and avail themselves of the opportunities offered!
> > | 
> > | With much respect,
> > | 
> > | mark->
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