Butting heads (was RE: Antiquated Software)

[Brian K. White]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kenneth Brody" <kenbrody at bestweb.net>
To: "Lerebours, Jose" <Jose.Lerebours at EagleGL.com>
Cc: "File Pro List" <filepro-list at lists.celestial.com>
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 5:35 PM
Subject: Butting heads (was RE: Antiquated Software)


> Quoting Lerebours, Jose (Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:07:05 -0600):
> [...]
>> The "room", well, if you ever piss John (as I have), you are not
>> welcome there - In other words, kiss up, put up, shut-up and you
>> shall be accepted.
>>
>> Oh, God forbid if you offend one of the high ranking officials
>> in the list, your rear end is black listed and you start to get
>> all sorts of funny messages from funny people.
> [...]
>
> All I can say about the above is "huh?"
>
> There have certainly been numerous flamewars on this list (as I'm sure
> is the case on any unmoderated list), but I've never heard anyone claim
> the above before.  Heck, if Esak and Fairlight have learned to get along,
> I can't imagine anyone getting banned from anything here.

I don't go to the room any more.
(bear with me please, this paragraph sounds just personal, but the point 
it's supporting is not)
I would, because I like everyone else, but, I decided I can't tolerate Johns 
attitudes any more and thus since the room is really his, it will never feel 
comfortable partaking in it. I can't happily participate in a conversation 
he's in. I'm not one of those people who can smile at, and pal around with, 
someone I in truth have a basic problem with. I have tried to let some time 
pass and put this issue behind me and offer pertinant and helpful comments 
in response to comments or questions he's made a couple times here on the 
list since then, and been utterly unacknowledged, so I have given up on even 
trying anymore.

I am willing to have it phrased that I have the problem and removed myself, 
laying the emphasis and the blame for my loss of access to the room on me. I 
don't really feel that way but I'm willing to accept that at least some if 
not most or even all others may sum it up that way.

The point is, regardless who's "fault", it's a fact that a single bad 
interaction with a single personality has the potential to screw up a whole 
one of your very few resources of filepro help.

I would not say the same about the list. The only analogs for John being the 
owner and often present member of the room, for the list, would be the list 
owner & moderator, both of which have been perfectly dispassionate in 
administering the list as far as I have seen even though one of them is far 
from a dispassionate participant in the list. Specifically, I beleive Mark 
does at least some adminning of the list and can clear or deny messages, and 
I have certainly had my differences of opinion with him, and he's certainly 
said things to people (not just me) here that I find inexcusable, but none 
of that appears to bleed over into his list admin role. He may call you 
lousy programmer or unethical service provider or just plain stupid, but he 
won't stop you from saying the same or worse back.

Brian K. White  --  brian at aljex.com  --  http://www.aljex.com/bkw/
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