CHILL. (was: Re: Antiquated Software)

[Fairlight]

Four score and seven years--eh, screw that!
At about Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 03:43:20PM -0600,
Lerebours, Jose blabbed on about:
> 
> Funny how John worries about how some one starts flames and yet
> he makes sure it does get started and feeds it and feeds it and
> insists that it lives and so he feeds it and feeds it ...
> 
> Was that a run on?

It was.

And be fair, Jose--John posted once, and replied once to my counter, and
has already said he's out of it with better things to do.  That's not
"feeding and feeding" anything.  Two responses and a bow-out is not an
extended flame war--not even close.  And it has been...Christ, at least a
year and a half since -I've- read anything flamelike from John, probably
because he and I used to butt heads but are now good friends.  I haven't
seen him jump on anyone in any of the threads I've actually read.  (I skip
a lot of stuff, especially printer-related and console-related, as 99% of
my fP experience these days is behind-the-scenes B2B bridgeware.)

As for his claims that it was flamebait, while I disagree on that point,
I -can- see his point about the "legalese" definition of Walter's comment
as a "leading question" in that it was phrased in such a way that it may
be intended to elicit a certain response.  I'll concede that the phrasing
was poor on the original post.  Only Walter knows if it was intended to be
leading or not, and it's -not- that big a deal to me either, either way.

> If you do not want flames, do no promote nor encourage them.  If 
> you feel that comments are leading towards that direction, do 
> not allow to be lead thus denying the opportunity to start the
> very flames you start by making such claims.

Well, you -could- follow your own advice, for starters.  You're not helping
your own case, here.  You jumped on John using the very post in which he
said he's out of the discussion.  WTF is that?  I mean, I'm sorry man, but
if you're going based on past experiences, all I can say is that there
comes a point when you have to look at something and re-evaluate it in
light of newer developments.  We've had a relative peace on the list for a
year, year and a half now.  John and I get along perfectly fine now, JPR
will occasionally throw a senseless barb that I'll counter with my own and
that ends after one volley each, and I actually blew up at Dennis when I
couldn't take his denseness anymore.  I think I may have actually been the
last person to post anything -near- a flame at that point, to be honest.
But that's been about it.  I, for one, would prefer -not- to have the peace
shattered--especially needlessly.  If you need to yell at someone, yell at
me, since I was probably the last guilty party.

Maybe you should try letting bygones be just that, and start over.  Some of
us have, especially after getting to know one another, and it's worked some
damned nice miracles.  

Let me tell you a little about regret:  It's knowing that John and I
fought like dogs and wet cats for over a decade, only to find out that we
share a -lot- of common interests and can talk for hours about damned near
anything under the sun without getting into anything remotely resembling an
argument--and further knowing that, had I bothered to pick up up a phone a
decade earlier to sort things, I could have had an extra decade of valuable
friendship and commeraderie that I cheated us both out of by inaction.
-That's- regret.  John's one of the nicest people I've been privileged
enough to get to know.  Anything "intentionally nasty" read into what he
says or how he says it is, I feel safe to say, a misunderstanding of gross
proportions, as that's simply not his personality as I've come to know it
far more in-depth.  I should know, as I made the mistake of reading into
his posts for over a decade.  Again, a large regret.

Let's just bury this tangent of the thread, shall we?  There's nothing
to be gained by citing fault--especially when it's not even really based
on anything current, you're coming in hot on something not even suitable
for combustion.  There's an apparent difference of opinion, and no matter
how strongly worded, that's -all- it is.  My advice is to drop it while
everyone is far further ahead, and rethink the whole bad blood thing while
you're at it.  If you can't get over the past, maybe you should rethink
more than just this one relationship.  LTS.

[Geez, it's hard to try to be the voice of reason when you're cranky as
hell since getting up because you're ill.  Let me put is succinctly then,
since I'm not feeling so eloquent:  Can't we all get along--or at least
ignore those with whom we can't, FFS?]

(No, Ken B., acronymfinder won't help you find the correct expansion for
that one.  I checked.  :)  Gaming community thing...)

> Yes, I am still alive and lurking ... Working with filePro and
> trying to get it deployed throughout Central and South America.
> Ironically, fighting with Oracle and a team of over 100 programmers.

Luck on that.  Glad you're still around and kicking.

Peace, 

mark->