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[Brian K. White]

> and pop psychology drivel.  "Alpha-male-geek," indeed.  Whatever.

It was intentional catchphrasing duh.

> And I find your comments about John extremely unjustified, unfair, and
> above all--untrue.  But this is what it's really all about yet?  Brian
> didn't get his way in an argument, or couldn't raise a response?  How
> puerile.

Maybe if I were thinking the way you are thinking it would be purile. But 
I'm not.
It's like this, I too, often don't dignify an affront with even the 
slightest response. When I do that, it's because I don't credit the person 
with even the tiniest teensiest bit of respect. When someone I have the 
slightest bit of respect for says something, I feel they deserve at least to 
be told to "screw off I have my reasons". More often they deserve actually a 
little more than that and deserve the small effort on my part to explain 
those reasons, and still has nothing to do with needing them to agree with 
me. Carrying on a meaningful and useful dialog does not mean "agreeing with 
me".

I was in the chat room and tried to clear the air but random chance landed 
me a little unfortunate timing and something more important, or more time 
sensative we'll say, came up right then and I politely let the other 
converstion finish, but I had gotten far enough that there could be no doubt 
about my intentions and so when the other business concluded I just waited 
to see if he even had any interest in resolving the issue. Nothing.

Anyone I give the slightest tenth of a percent of a terd about I either 
apologize or defend whatever applies at the time.
The only people I copletely ignore are the absolute scum of the earth. They 
mean so little to me it can't even be expressed effectively. My original 
post to him was nothing but tit-for-tat according to how I saw (and see) 
things. Painful but dammit, fair! People _should_ be held accountable for 
their actions.
I might be guilty of being _wrong_, and I'm perfectly willing to be told so. 
Sure I'll have to be convinced before beleiving it, but, so? But that's a 
later & lighter issue. There's no crime in being wrong once in a while or in 
failing to keep your hot head under control once in a while, and so just as 
I know I need to be allowed to be wrong on occasion and be allowed to live 
through it, I allow others the same courtesy. I don't mark them as scum of 
the earth for life the first time they dare express something negative about 
me. What he's guilty of now I don't even have polite words for.
As far as I'm concerned, He's insulted me 1000 times more than I did him. 
Maybe that's his own form of tit-for-tat and that's fine, but it's a pretty 
sucky game to play if all that happens is we never talk to each other as 
friends again.

And frankly I'm sticking to my guns about the first post. There was 
absolutely no excuse for talking to anyone here that way.
I don't care HOW technically correct he was or how technically incorrect 
Jose was about any silly fp code. That's just plain not necessary, further 
than that, it's not excusable. (I already said that I know...)

I'm sorry this seems like a lot of personal bs that shouldn't be on the list 
but this is really a list matter that bothers me.
Be a jerk anywhere else and it's not a list matter even if all parties 
happen to be list members, but he was ...let's say unsavory, _here_ and I 
want those people who fear sharing their thoughts here to see that there are 
other attitudes present here and not everyone is willing to put up with it.

> You'll save yourself the embarrassment.

Not even slightly embarassed. Why should I be? Saying "I don't know where to 
start" is not good enough. Re-read my post, sloooowly, And debate actual 
points. I didn't say anything I don't still stand behind. I wasn't "mouthing 
off". I didn't stab anyone in the back, and what I did do, of course I 
didn't do lightly because of course I knew it would feel that way. 
Therefore, I would request serious critiques or responses not offhand 
dismissals.

Stab in the back... since when does being smeones friend mean you are 
obligated to sit and do nothing while they abuse someone? I generally avoid 
being friends with such people in the first place. I have a real problem to 
resolve here. Either I grossly misjudged someones basic character, or my 
friend has a problem he needs help with and as a friend i am at least 
concerned even if not in any position to do much about it, or I am ignorant 
of some prior facts that would explain things and maybe Jose really is some 
kind of scumbag that deserved to be personally attacked like that and I 
don't have to feel like this person I thought was a good guy is really only 
a good guy as long as you say your John is God prayers just right and bow 
low enough.

Brian K. White  --  brian at aljex.com  --  http://www.aljex.com/bkw/
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