OT: RE: Has everyone gone south?

Wed Aug 31 07:51:26 PDT 2005

Is EQ better than CounterStrike:source ? That's the game that comes on the 
same set as Half life2 , And for me it's the most addicting and the most 
awesome breathtaking graphics game I've ever played and plus you can design 
your own maps (using HAMMER-3D design/rendering software from valve for 
FREE) and has it's own console (command line interface) so you can make it 
behave he way you want if you're the admin of the server!, Have you tried it 
? I have a Radeon 9550 with 128 and works smoothly.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fairlight" <fairlite at fairlite.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 5:56 AM
Subject: Re: OT: RE: Has everyone gone south?

> That -is- ridiculous.  I put a 128MB SiS-based Mad Dog into Beryl some 
> four
> years ago.  Putting only 64MB onboard is absurd these days, when the floor
> for gaming starts at 128 in most cases, and 256+ is getting to be the 
> norm.
>
> Just as a FYI, the requirements for EVE were only 64MB.  It has better
> graphics with less resources.  Go figure.
>
> As for EQ...Hmmm.  Let me check the release notes here.  Hah...the release
> notes in the directory are dated 1999.
>
> On their web site, the latest memory requirements for video memory that I
> can find are with the Luclin expansion requiring 32MB.  Prior, it was 
> 16MB.
> The latest expansion doesn't even list a video RAM floor, but rather
> chip-based card support:  ATI RADEON 7200 or higher, or NVidia GeForce 1 
> or
> higher, with the recommended being RADEON 8500 and GeForce 3 or higher.
>
> I can tell you right now (and you KNOW how beefed my system is) that my
> RADEON 9600 128MB actually struggles depending on what's turned on,
> graphics-wise with the current engine.  I don't dare use shadows, even 
> with
> a short shadow clip plane.  Turning the clipping plane down on the Plane 
> of
> Knowledge is sometimes a must unless you want oodles of lag--actually, you
> can turn down just the actor clip plane but that has no shortcuts on the
> keyboard, where the general clip plane does.
>
> All of which does you and him no good if it won't run at all.  Has he
> tried?  And if so, what happened?
>
> I can tell you the requirements for it to run decently are far higher than
> those they have posted.
>
> As for Sony's making the VAIO with that little vram...shame on them.
> That's plain foolish in this day and age--or even 5 years ago, let alone
> one year ago.
>
> And as one last note--most of the games I've gotten since I had the new
> system--have the same floor requirements card-wise.  That almost seems to
> be a standard now.  In fact, I think both Doom 3 and Half-Life 2 both had
> the same requirements, offhand.  I'd have to check but I'm pretty sure 
> they
> did.
>
> The funny thing being that, had they coded it efficiently, EQ would have
> the graphics requirements of a 1999 game, even now.  Whatever they're
> doing, they're doing it wrong, I can tell you that.  The particle system
> rocks, but the general actor and structure systems are far less efficient
> than they could be.  Guildmate of mine is a video game designer. 
> Finishing
> up school for it, and already has his studio set up.  I got him into EVE
> last night and he took a look for 5min and said, "Why the **ck is EQ so
> slow compared to this?!"  I kid you not.  That was also my first
> impression.  Play the alternatives and you start to see massive bloat.
>
> Don't get me wrong--I love EQ.  It's been renamed EverQrack on my wife's
> and my desktop icons.  However, it's 70% more bloated than it needs to be,
> by estimation of some of us that know what we're talking about.  The
> gameplay is good, and the particle system is really pretty damned good.
> They did cool things with the UI like alpha fading.  But in so many ways,
> from load time to graphics pigishness, it's bloatware in a big way.  I
> daresay moreso than a current state-of-the-art FPS.
>
> As has been the case forever--we can gripe about design and how it could 
> be
> better, and it almost never happens.  :)  Doesn't stop us griping, though.
>
> mark->
>
>
> You'll never BELIEVE what John Esak said here...:
>>
>> I would give Sony some slack... but this video card  or otherboard insert
>> has only 64k of memory and can not be changed.  I bought this thing brand
>> new as the latest model at that level back in June of last year.... by 
>> that
>> time, Sony had owned EQ for a very long time.  They should have known
>> better. and the limitation on that video card in this day and age is
>> ridiculous.
>
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