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<DIV><SPAN class=410105822-15012006><FONT face="Courier New"><STRONG>Stanley,
I'm going to top post to your very well written comments. Just two things. I
agree with everything you said but two items, and I would like to add another
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<DIV><SPAN class=410105822-15012006><STRONG><FONT face="Courier New">One of the
things I disagree with is adding the functionality of variable fonts, text
sizing for screens. This is probably not possible for the 80x24 engine base and
so why ask for it. Everything else you mention I think is do-able and *should*
be done for filePro.</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
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face="Courier New"></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=410105822-15012006><STRONG><FONT face="Courier New">The thing I
would add is that filePro should have a mode wherein it can print to "dumb"
windows printers. Forget the print code tables and allow the generation of
whatever it takes to make the windows drivers do their thing. Allow
developers and users to decide which they want, either the PCL/print-code
paradigm or the dumb windows bitmap thing. It is just absolutely required these
days. Your client goes out and buys one of the dumb printers and all you can do
is say, sorry , can't print to that. At worst case, FP Tech should make an
arrangement with Rassmussen Software to include some version of Print Wizard
with filePro.</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=410105822-15012006><STRONG><FONT face="Courier New">The 2nd
thing I disagree with you on.. is people should NOT give up on filePro at this
point because they don't have the features we all nee.... but help by buying
into this upcoming release so it might have the resources to do all the things
we need... </FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=410105822-15012006><STRONG><FONT face="Courier New">That's
it...</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=410105822-15012006><STRONG><FONT face="Courier New">John
Esak</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=410105822-15012006><STRONG><FONT face="Courier New">P.S. - by
the way, not being able to print memos is a very big thing I fully expected to
see in 5.6 and I don't think it's in there yet. If it didn't/doesn't make it
into 5.7... *then* I think I would agree with you even on the suggestion to go
out and start getting some serious RDBMS skill sets going. (classical Codd-Date
RDBMS's I mean.)</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
filepro-list-bounces@lists.celestial.com
[mailto:filepro-list-bounces@lists.celestial.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Stanley
Barnett<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 15, 2006 12:50 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
filepro-list@seaslug.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Antiquated
Software<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=Section1>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">I tried to stay out of
this fight... But I cannot hold back any longer... A lot of folks
in the filepro world has chosen to die with filepro instead of embracing and
learning new technologies...<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">I’m saying this because a
lot of the windows and gui comments I’m reading here are not true and are
dished out to the list readers by folks that are not knowledgeable in both
worlds as developers. I’m speaking out now because I for one have
developed using filepro and sco xenix/unix since 1983 when it was tandy xenix
and profile, and since 1998 in X-base languages, and I do know how to do the
task in either language, providing it can be done in said language. I
even done a $10k project in 2005, and I’m still using it, but in my spare
time, I’m re-writing our accounting package in x-base… I’d like a chance to
clear some of these myths/un-truths up, and I’m willing to try at the expense
of having my head chopped off. So here
goes…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">1. I actively
programmed in filepro/sco from 1983 thru 1998, and was forced to add new
technologies to my skillset for my own needs and my customers. When
Win95 and Excel came out, I could see Windows winning the GUI/Text war, as it
has all the bells and whistles that people wanted. I still today support
both our own and customers filepro applications.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">2. The web would not
be what it is today if it stayed as text based. It’s the GUI that made
it explode...<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">3. I needed
searchable databases where I can easily store multi-media items/objects along
side text fields. I waited and experimented with several external
graphics apps connected to filepro, but the result was always less that
desirable, as it always needed too many processes to complete a task. I
was forced away, because all the developers in the window's world made it
easier and completely doable.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">4. Filepro has
clearly dropped the ball here. I have heard claims that Unix and Linux
is also at fault for the "behind the curve" feature set, and that is somewhat
true, but that line is getting finer and finer as many of the high end tools I
need and use are now available for Linux distros... On the other hand,
filepro has stuck me with a 24x80 screen that doesn't have scrolling fields
and decent memos. In this day, memo fields are a must and considered
very basic…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">5. Most filepro/text
based programmers believe that data entry is much faster in the text based
environment, which is generally true, BUT SIMPLY DOES NOT HAVE TO BE
TRUE... Because I came from the old text based world, I know the value
of leaving the mouse for mousey things, so I always add keyboard only
functionality as well as the F-key(F5,F6,etc) functionality for all my windows
based applications where text is entered and for general navigation. I
can enter xxxx records without touching the mouse, and you can
too.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">6. Plus I have all
the other functionality that filepro cannot even talk about such
as,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Select name, address, city
from customers where left(alltrim(upper(name)),3) = "STA" order by name into
cursor curCust readwrite<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">The "into cursor
cursorname" magic shown here will change your life, as it is a concept that is
very simple, yet it took me a long time to grasp, because I only had a filepro
background. It simple builds an "in memory throw away table" that can do
anything a real disk based table can do. Great for drill down queries
and etc. It is lightning fast, and if you need to save it as a real
table, a simple command makes that happen. And the list goes
on...<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">7. I understand that
the latest filepro doesn't bring much new to the table after 4-5 years of
development, and if that is true, all I can say is you need not waste any more
time. The learning curve for X-based languages is 3-4 years, about the
same for filepro, as it took me that long in filepro to be able to create
anything billable... Also, for me and my customers to upgrade to
the latest and greatest filepro, it must contain most the basic following
features...<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">A. Scrollable fields, or a
fully configurable screen as in fonts, and etc, <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">B. Auto
expanding/collapsing/hiding memo field on reports, where the memo field will
auto resize itself based on content, and hide itself if the memo field is
empty, <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">C. More automatic indexes,
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">D. Automatic indexes
options that allows indexes to be built from function calls or
assignments.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">E. Free distributable
software where I can put the money in my own
pocket...<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">8. Side note... Its
also interesting to see that Microsoft changed their EULA (end user license
agreement) about 3 years ago to stop the deployment of software built using
Microsoft tools on non-Microsoft platforms such as Linux. This was
because many folks was developing MS apps with MS tools and running them on
Linux via WINE, and it actually performed better in most cases. And that
is all OK by me, as MS is indeed bringing many great tools to the developers
tool kit, for you and I.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">If this steps on some
toes, as I'm sure it will, then place the blame where it belongs, as I too
waited, waited and even went to several conferences in Tampa hoping filepro
would get it together, and so far I have not seen it, thus forcing me
elsewhere...<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">For what its worth, I will
help anyone seeking my knowledge/experience in making the
transition.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">I do hope that filepro
makes a comeback, as I have 16+ years invested in it, but I'm not waiting, and
neither should you... <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">I've just put my flame
retardant suit on, so go ahead and fire away...<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Stanley</SPAN></FONT></st1:place></st1:City><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">> Linda Hapner
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">>> I suspect his
"antiquated" comments are due to the fact that we are
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">>> character
based.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">> > All of us that
actually do the entry and upkeep do not<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">>> want a GUI
interface, but I'm starting to think that perhaps I should
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">>> have the sales
folks in the GUI mode.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">> At the end of the day
it comes from interoperablity. Especially at the <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">> database
level.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">> Eventually you quit
fighting the good fight and give into "better tools"
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">> than we have with
filePro.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">> Ask the people again
who said it was antiquated... Do they consider it
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">> that because the
database is non-standard and proprietary?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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