<font size="6"><span style="font-weight: bold;">YEah lunacon! ummmmm i don't quite remeber where we met (had a litle to much of that <span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">red</span> stuff to drink you know??) but we did talk abot
<span style="font-style: italic;">UNIX</span> i was trying to figurout how to integreat <span style="background-color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">visual-Basic</span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"> anyway i stoped workin on that so i didnt send it to U so anyway
</span><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0); text-decoration: underline;">lunaco<span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">n</span></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"> was </span><span style="font-style: italic; text-decoration: underline;">
Not</span><span style="text-decoration: underline;">
as good this year the filk was boring so Ive never been to balticon as
it as big as the lunacon??? how is the filk THANKS for the details on
teh "</span><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0); text-decoration: underline;">HTML"</span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"> i have to checky that out but I like <span style="font-style: italic;">Frontpage
</span> because it makes it better for using on the </span><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0); text-decoration: underline;">WWW</span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"> yes it does edit </span><span style="text-decoration: underline; color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">
WWW</span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"> pages how else do you do it???</span></span><br style="font-weight: bold;">
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<span style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: underline;">Kindly,</span><br style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: underline;">
<span style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: underline;">HK Whacker</span><br style="font-weight: bold;">
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<br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 5/11/05, <b class="gmail_sendername">Brian K. White</b> <<a href="mailto:brian@aljex.com">brian@aljex.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Harry K. Whacker" <<a href="mailto:harry.whacker@gmail.com">harry.whacker@gmail.com</a>><br>To: <<a href="mailto:filepro-list@lists.celestial.com">filepro-list@lists.celestial.com
</a>><br>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 4:18 PM<br>Subject: Re: text to pdf to email<br><br>BRIAN? IS THAT YOU?<br>You remember?? Lunacon last year? HEHE, Good times.<br>anyways please "DO NOT" send me 100 PDF format files! i don think my
<br>Internet company will be to happy about that but I read you post and and don<br>realy understand what U mean and.<br>are U saying "Frontpage" is better than hte "PDF"?? aslo how does<br>FILEProconnect to
<br>Frontpage? i don think you thaught this thru very much. are you sure "HTML"<br>is potable like PDF?<br>also u say PDF is for graphic designer: yes, thats ture cause i do graphic<br>design on PDF.<br><br>Kindy,
<br>HK Whacker<br><br>------------<br><br>Yes I went to lunacon!<br>You went to lunacon? Where did I see you? In the filk room or in the con<br>suite maybe?<br>I don't remember talking to anyone about filepro at lunacon, though I do
<br>remember talking about unix several times.<br>I forgot to watch the calender and missed Lunacon this year but I think I'll<br>make it to balticon in a couple weeks.<br>I'll watch out for your name from now on. :)<br><br>
when I said html, I did not say front page. front page is a horrible way to<br>create html.<br>It is possible to create html that is very light and efficient, and yes,<br>even more portable than "portable document format"
<br>html existed long before pdf and requires less resources to create and to<br>view.<br><br>the way I generate html emails, the "html" is sometimes no more than 6 words<br>added to the plain text file.<br>the 6 words happen to be html tags and they make the document into an html
<br>file that just happens to have very little html junk in it.<br><br>example, here is some sample plain text report output:<br><br>blah<br>blah<br>blah<br><br>Now here is an html version:<br><html><body><pre>
<br>blah<br>blah<br>blah<br></pre></body></html><br><br>That's it. voila la html<br><br>Create the same document in frontpage or ms word and it will have gobs and<br>gobs of pointless html tags that do nothing you care about.
<br><br>Also I thought frontpage was just a way to upload documents to web sites<br>that support frontpage extensions, not a web page editor itself? I could be<br>wrong on that, I've never used frontpage.<br><br><br>On 5/10/05, Brian K. White <
<a href="mailto:brian@aljex.com">brian@aljex.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>><br>> ----- Original Message -----<br>> From: "Harry K. Whacker" <<a href="mailto:harry.whacker@gmail.com">harry.whacker@gmail.com
</a>><br>> To: <<a href="mailto:filepro-list@lists.celestial.com">filepro-list@lists.celestial.com</a>><br>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 1:14 PM<br>> Subject: Re: text to pdf to email<br>><br>> DEAR BILL:
<br>> the "PDF" stands for "Portable Document File". it's defenitly better for<br>> E-mail and Internet cause is portable. If you don't use "PDF" you can be<br>> sure they see it? also "PDF" is always faster (hense the name "portable"!)
<br>> and. You can aslo get it from FREE from the Web. here is a man who will<br>> tell<br>> you how: "PDF" on the Web. Also It's more secureity! and better reliable<br>> for<br>> E-mail because it's portable. also E-mail is not supposed to be text! you
<br>> can get also do picture and animation and "PDF"! i even think FILEPro<br>> datatables are PDF?? so it practically standard<br>> now.<<br>> <a href="http://web.ask.com/web?q=Where+can+I+download+%22PDF%22+on+the+Web%3F&qsrc=0&o=0">
http://web.ask.com/web?q=Where+can+I+download+%22PDF%22+on+the+Web%3F&qsrc=0&o=0</a><br>> ><br>><br>> Kindly,<<br>> <a href="http://web.ask.com/web?q=Where+can+I+download+%22PDF%22+on+the+Web%3F&qsrc=0&o=0">
http://web.ask.com/web?q=Where+can+I+download+%22PDF%22+on+the+Web%3F&qsrc=0&o=0</a><br>> ><br>> HK<br>> Whacker<<br>> <a href="http://web.ask.com/web?q=Where+can+I+download+%22PDF%22+on+the+Web%3F&qsrc=0&o=0">
http://web.ask.com/web?q=Where+can+I+download+%22PDF%22+on+the+Web%3F&qsrc=0&o=0</a><br>> ><br>><br>> --------<br>><br>> Like I tell my customers, "I'll send you 100 pdf attachement emails, and
<br>> 100<br>> plain text or lightweight html emails, and after that you tell me which<br>> ones<br>> you want to get all day every day.<br>> I garantee you'll want to pull your hair out by the 10th pdf email.
<br>><br>> It is absolutely the opposite of faster and more convenient. All it's good<br>> for is for when it really matters that the recipient see _exactly_ the<br>> same<br>> thing you see, right down to the style of font and where wrapping occurs
<br>> etc... IE: graphic designers handling artwork and pre-press layouts<br>> etc...,<br>> special "preprinted" official forms that must be filled in and printed and<br>> they must be exactly like a xerox of the original form, and static
<br>> published<br>> documents like manuals & books where a pdf takes the place of a printed<br>> book.<br>><br>> We _want_ invoices and such to be pretty but really, the information is<br>> worth more than the looks.
<br>> The smart thing is a compromise where you send things like invoices with<br>> html, which is designed to re-fit itself as best as possible into the<br>> users<br>> particular display and to be efficient in terms of file size.
<br>> Rather than embedding a full copy in the document of all fonts that are<br>> used<br>> in the document, html makes a sort of "suggestion" and whatever font the<br>> user has that is closest is used, and if the recipient is going blind and
<br>> has his display set at very low resolution with very large font sizes, the<br>> html will wrap lines as necessary while still maintaining the overall<br>> structure of the document, _if_ the html was written sanely.
<br>><br>> People who handle a lot of emails every day can not have their procedure<br>> slowed down by having to click on attachments and wait for acrobat to open<br>> up on every one when plain text or html are immediately visible and they
<br>> don't even have to "open up" they are right there in the preview pane<br>> already.<br>><br>> This is not a subjective personal prefference issue either. Yes, you can<br>> personally prefer pdfs, just like you can personally prefer the space
<br>> shuttle instead of a littel rice-burner car. It doesn't change the fact<br>> that<br>> the rice-burner is in fact far more efficient for going to the grocery<br>> store. Slower is slower and less efficient is less efficient and it's an
<br>> indisputable measurable fact that using pdfs for most email is slower and<br>> less efficient, and at *both* the client and the server.<br>> It's popularity and the desire to use it for everything arises out of
<br>> ignorance basically.<br>><br>> Brian K. White -- <a href="mailto:brian@aljex.com">brian@aljex.com</a> -- <a href="http://www.aljex.com/bkw/">http://www.aljex.com/bkw/</a><br>> +++++[>+++[>+++++>+++++++<<-]<-]>>+.>.+++++.+++++++.-.[>+<---]>++.
<br>> filePro BBx Linux SCO Prosper/FACTS AutoCAD #callahans Satriani<br>><br>><br>> On 5/10/05, Bill Campbell <<a href="mailto:bill@celestial.com">bill@celestial.com</a>> wrote:<br>> ><br>> > On Mon, May 09, 2005, Tony Freehauf wrote:
<br>> > >hi experts<br>> > >any one care to suggest a way to move a text output to pdf in linux?<br>> > >i know this is not filepro but i plan on doing the text to pdf to email<br>> > >from filepro.
<br>> ><br>> > Why would anybody want to change text to pdf for e-mail inclusion<br>> > since e-mail is supposed to be text???<br>> ><br>> > Bill<br>> > --<br>> > INTERNET: <a href="mailto:bill@Celestial.COM">
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