Where to find info on fileProweb

Thu Oct 24 13:40:37 PDT 2019

"This is not prefect [...]"

Were you -going- for the irony, or just lucky?  :)

As for the demo...  You're not serious, are you?  Reallllly???

I'm on the data entry screen, and I can tell that nobody who waved so much
as a pinky finger near this has done a single hour of real-life data entry
in their lives.  That, or those who were, were overruled by someone with
no clue.  No keyboard navigation to the record button?  You have -got- to
be kidding me.  If this is remotely representative, huge parts of this
-require- a mouse or touchscreen.  That's an automatic failing score for
UI/UX, and an -insane- hit to productivity, by any reasonable metric.  You
can literally do better designing web pages longhand, and several of us
have done for over two decades.

Then there's the fact it's quite obviously a screen scraper, and therefore
is quite probably limited to 80x24...in a web environment.  The sheer
amount of wasted screen real estate is staggering, especially at 4k
resolutions.  It's not responsive design (the least of its sins, but
still...in a mobile age, responsive design or go home).

In terms of security, you just...open a websocket connection with what
appears to be no credentials.  I haven't had time to comb through all of
the additional JS externals (or even more than a couple pages of the inline
JS), but the very fact you think an information disclosure like myRealPath
with the -actual- Windows path to resources somehow isn't a security
violation inspires -zero- confidence that anyone even thought about
security.  It's like you learned nothing from fPcgi.  I'd need to take more
time than I have to satisfy my morbid curiosity, but I'm betting on a
flawed security model, based on what I -have- seen.

Whatever you're going to be charging, it's way too much for what it is,
IMNSHO.  It's clunky, it's ugly, and it actually brings a -less- elegant
approach than the native terminal emulator based UI to an HTTP-based
experience that is effectively somewhere around "Web 0.5".  It totally uses
2.0+ tech to do it, but the actual UI/UX is dismally primative, if this is
any sort of accurate representation. I am actually being kind in my choice
of words, there.

And to think...people actually attended a conference for the unveiling...

Mind. Blown.  Just...wow.  *low whistle*

That is the biggest trainwreck I have seen in years, and I suffered through
the PreSonus Studio One v4 launch on a platform they claimed up-front to
support, but in reality did/do not do more than a pretense of doing so.

"Not perfect," is one -hell- of an understatement.  That's a little like
saying WW2 and Vietnam were, "Less than ideal."

I didn't expect much, but this is just staggeringly below even my low
expectations.

I'm honestly not sure whether to laugh or cry.

Wow.

mark->

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 03:57:50PM -0400, Bill Randall thus spoke:
> We have dozens of installations running fileProWeb and GI6.0 on
> various platforms and they have been running for months.
> 
> Our little demo is on a Windows 10 computer.
> http://71.251.106.40:8080/fptech/fileProWeb.jsp?theme=darkBlue
> Use a login of fpdemo and a password of filePro
> This is not prefect but it demonstrates some of the features of fileProWeb
> I installed this in 5 minutes and it was up and running after 10
> minutes of configuration.  I had never seen it or installed it before
> this first time.
> 
> There are no issues with fileProWeb on any platform except SCO OSR6
> and UW as they don't support the engine.
> 
> The problem that Richard is having has to do with licensing as the
> Microsoft Surface has some interesting internals to addressing
> hardware.
> filePro licensing still requires a proper tie-in to hardware until
> we can get that changed to Remote licensing as well.
> However, that issue has been eliminated with the new Remote
> licensing for GI.
> 
> All of this will be explained in more detail as we get our
> documentation in place.
> Right now, the only docs are the current 6.0 GI and Web
> implementation docs in the Support / Resources section of our
> website.
> Videos from the conference will start to get posted soon after some
> editing has been completed.
> 
> Sorry for the delay but the feedback and excitement from the
> conference was overwhelming and we have been trying to weed through
> everything as we regroup.
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> On 10/24/2019 12:39 PM, Richard Kreiss via Filepro-list wrote:
> >I think that fptech has the *nix version of FPWeb working but are having some issues with getting the Windows version working.  This is based on the issues I am having trying to get FPGI running on my systems.  Windows Server 2012 and Windows 10 workstations.
> >
> >Fp Tech support has been trying to solver the issues I am having.
> >
> >The problem I found yesterday had to do with my filePro licensing.  I had used the MAC address of my NIC on my server, the problem appears to be that I teamed the NICS and after the last reboot the MAC address I had used changed.  FPtech issues a new license using the drive serial number.  I will test this new license when I get back to my office later today.
> >
> >If will post the to list once I have FPGI working on my computers.  This is most likely the reason that there has been no available information except of the FP Tech Website.
> >
> >
> >Richard Kreiss
> >GCC Consulting
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Filepro-list <filepro-list-bounces+rkreiss=verizon.net at lists.celestial.com> On Behalf Of Rob Lewis via Filepro-list
> >Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2019 9:21 AM
> >To: Fairlight <fairlite at fairlite.com>; Filepro List <filepro-list at celestial.com>
> >Subject: RE: Where to find info on fileProweb
> >
> >I am also very interested in the detail around FPWeb.  I have several customers on Linux Platforms that would be very interested in moving into a GUI / Web type of experience.
> >
> >I was unable to attend the conference although I have in previous years sometime ago so any collateral around FPWeb would be great.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Rob Lewis
> >Business Innovation Technologies, LLC.
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> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Filepro-list <filepro-list-bounces+rlewis=bitllc.net at lists.celestial.com> On Behalf Of Fairlight via Filepro-list
> >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 10:53 PM
> >To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com; Filepro List <filepro-list at celestial.com>
> >Subject: Re: Where to find info on fileProweb
> >
> >Yeah, I've checked a couple times since the conference.  If one didn't know better, you'd think they weren't interested in anyone buying it.
> >
> >...They -have- a YouTube page?!  How modern of them!
> >
> >m->
> >
> >On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 10:31:06PM +0000, Richard Hane via Filepro-list thus spoke:
> >>So I have been searching for info on the new fileProweb.  I see nothing on the fp Tech site.  I see nothing new on the fp Tech of Ohio youtube page.  Also nothing new anywhere on youtube.
> >>Does anyone know where and when this info will be posted?
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