filePro Conference set for Oct 11 > 14, 2019 -- Your invited! Come and see new features and filePro WEB

Fairlight fairlite at fairlite.com
Tue Jul 9 09:42:50 PDT 2019 

Unless I'm vastly misunderstanding you, you're telling me what I already
know:  I estimated on the -low- side.  I did that intentionally; it was
the bare minimum matching number.  Nobody can claim I bloated numbers to
make a worse deal for anyone.  I intentionally estimated using -my- airfare
projection, which I can virtually guarantee will likely be cheaper than
from NY or CA, let alone WA, out at the diagonal end of the country.  I did
everything I can to make it more than fair and attractive.

What fP Tech makes or doesn't make off of their conference is irrelevant to
me.  Wholly irrelevant.  This isn't about them.  It's about what -customers-
will get for their money.

I'm saying, "Look, you can make this investment in a fact-finding mission,
before licensing cent #1 is paid for an actual product, and indeed before
you know it's even -worth- licensing.  You -can- do that.  Right now, it's
an unknown, and you're basically playing the lottery.  OR...you can go with
proven tech, with a known feature set and a history of stability and high
performance throughput.  You can all -have- a tangible and viable product,
for the cost of what they're charging you to -look- at theirs."

They're not even mutually exclusive plans.  Heck, if people/companies have
so much money to burn that it makes sense to pay that much to go -look-
at something, maybe it makes sense to guarantee having my products -and-
looking at theirs.  As my gaming buddy says, "Why not both?"  There's no
part of my offer which precludes anyone from also attending that conference
and buying into their solution as well.  It could come down to how much
people want to hedge their bets.  There's no demand of exclusivity.
Everyone's free to still pursue fP Tech's solution.

No, a vacation spot doesn't come bundled with my offer.  That's about the
only downside.

Nobody's twisting anyone's arm.  I don't feel a need to; my software stands
on its own merits.  Do one, do both, do the other...whatever the community
or individuals/companies within it want to do or not do.  The offer stands,
and I'll honour it if the criterion is met within the designated time period.

mark->



On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 11:44:18AM -0400, Richard Kreiss thus spoke:
> Mark, 
> 
> Your math is correct but that rate is during "season" and is fairly low.
> Many of those who come bring a family member or family.  That knocks your
> math off in that air fare may be double or more. 
> 
> I can fly using Southwest points, if I want to use them).  That also brings
> up the cost of meals, etc.  
> 
> As I previously mentioned, some may be able to get their employer to cover
> some or all of the conference expenses.  If not, one may take the expense as
> a business tax deduction (further education-learning more about the
> development product being used).  Family expenses cannot be deducted.  One
> should check with an accountant regarding making this deduction.  
> 
> You seem to think FP Tech is making a profit on this conference.  I doubt
> it, they may break even or take the difference as a  business expense.  Of
> course if they sell more upgrades or license upgrade for FP Web, then it is
> worthwhile for them.  It will depend on how easy it is to implement this and
> at what cost.  Also, is the issue that has been dioscussed, how secure is
> this>  These are unknowns at present but over the next few months, all of
> this will become apparent.
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Filepro-list [mailto:filepro-list-
> > bounces+rkreiss=verizon.net at lists.celestial.com] On Behalf Of Fairlight
> via
> > Filepro-list
> > Sent: Friday, July 5, 2019 7:02 PM
> > To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> > Subject: Re: filePro Conference set for Oct 11 > 14, 2019 -- Your invited!
> Come
> > and see new features and filePro WEB
> > 
> > Well let's look at the costs involved, shall we?
> > 
> > fP Tech said the conference is 3-4 days.  They specified:
> > 
> > * $260/person conference fee.
> > * $109 + tax per night for hotel room.
> > * 75 rooms reserved.
> > 
> > Let's check the math:
> > 
> > 75 * 260 = 19500 <-- Conference Fees
> > 75 * 109 * 4 = 32700 <-- Hotel Fees, no taxes
> > 75 * 244 = 18300 <-- -Cheapest- airfare from where I am for a round-trip
> >                      flight for that window.
> > 
> > 19500 + 32700 + 18300 = 70500 <-- Grand total expenditure for all involved
> if
> > they sell out the conference.
> > 
> > That's what you get for a -speculative- benefit.  This includes the
> announcement
> > of one product of unknown merit, and an otherwise unannounced and/or
> > unknown agenda, to date.  You are essentially flying down and staying for
> a -
> > fact-finding- mission to see if the ROI will -potentially- be there, and
> that is -
> > before- you pay one cent in license fees.
> > 
> > If people have -that- much money to burn on spec, I'll tell you what...
> > I'll make the community a deal.
> > 
> > If one or more of you gives me $70.5k by 00:00:00 EDT on 9/78/2019, I will
> > release -all- of my -current- standalone, for-resale software offerings as
> > perpetual open-source freeware, and -permanently- remove the cost barrier
> to
> > entry for those products for -everyone-.
> > 
> > This offer includes OneGate, OneBridge, RawQuery, LightMail...everything
> that's
> > been in the SuperPack and UltraPack packages, -plus- the unreleased
> version of
> > SuperQuery (a souped-up REST/SOAP-capable version of RawQuery which I've
> > never gotten the marketing done for, due to time constraints), all for one
> low
> > price.  That's essentially a wordwide site license from which everyone
> benefits.
> > I'll even allow forking and custom versions.
> > 
> > If one or more of you (individually, as a group, one company, several
> > companies...I don't really care as long as the minimum is met), pay me at
> least
> > that $70.5K USD amount, by the deadline, nobody in this community (nor
> > anyone else) will ever have to pay a further license fee for any of those
> > products.  They will become freely usable by anyone.
> > 
> > Support concerns?  I'll continue do paid support as I have all along, at
> my normal
> > posted hourly rates for -my- versions of the programs.  The support
> > requirements for my software are so low that I'm not even concerned about
> > time constraints.
> > 
> > That is a -guaranteed- ROI which benefits the entire community, based on a
> > feature set which is a known quantity, suite-wide.  All products have been
> > deployed commercially, and they've got years of proven track record and
> > performance standing behind them.
> > 
> > Honestly, I think that's a more concrete benefit than a conference where
> you
> > merely get a peek at something you still have to buy.
> > 
> > Bests,
> > 
> > mark->
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, Jul 05, 2019 at 05:29:09PM -0400, Richard Kreiss via Filepro-list
> thus
> > spoke:
> > > Jose.
> > >
> > > Not a big item but Breakfast and Lunch are included in the registration
> fee.
> > >
> > > You could consider carpooling with anyone who will be attending from
> your
> > area. That would keep your costs down.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, you missed the fact that the conference is over a
> weekend
> > in Orlando - "Mickey Mouse" country.  As in the past, some developers will
> come
> > with their families as the hotel costs are a lot lower and in some cases
> their
> > expenses are covered by their employer.
> > >
> > > When I attend these conferences, the costs come out of my pocket.  I pay
> for
> > me and my wife.  I do have enough points on Southwest to book my flight
> using
> > these points.
> > >
> > > I would like to point out that I am using the subscription option as I
> get a head
> > start on new functionality and can see how I can use them in my
> applications.
> > Currently I have 5 or 6 different applications I can upgrade with the new
> > functionality.  Fp Web will just be another possible upgrade.  I already
> > mentioned this to one client and he is interested.  This will require me
> to see
> > what the functionality is and what it will cost to implement it.
> > >
> > > I am aware that some developers have created their own browser based
> > programs that are integrated with filePro but these, in many cases, are
> > proprietary as they have not been offered to the filePro community.
> > >
> > > Got to go.
> > >
> > > Richard Kreiss
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Filepro-list [mailto:filepro-list-
> > > > bounces+rkreiss=verizon.net at lists.celestial.com] On Behalf Of Jose
> > > > bounces+Lerebours
> > > > via Filepro-list
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 3:20 PM
> > > > To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> > > > Subject: Re: filePro Conference set for Oct 11 > 14, 2019 -- Your
> > > > invited! Come and see new features and filePro WEB
> > > >
> > > > Well, he is right.
> > > >
> > > > I can drive to Tampa and back each day, but that is only me and a
> > > > couple others.  Even driving back and forth it would cost me $200 to
> > > > $350 for three days of travel and other expenses.
> > > >
> > > > Those that have to flight and pay $109 per night, lunch and dinner
> > > > (plus a couple of drinks while sharing ideas with others) are
> > > > looking at about $1K before it is all over - Some material for
> preview; a
> > teaser would help make a decision.
> > > >
> > > > If they simply found a clever way to integrate fpWeb, I guarantee
> > > > you it will suck!
> > > >
> > > > If they simply have means to push HTML pages without means to use
> > > > AJAX to run server side scripts, it is worthless.
> > > >
> > > > If they still have those HTML commands in the server side, you might
> > > > as well cut your veins.  ;-)
> > > >
> > > > If it is limited to filePro proprietary key/data files, it is a half
> > > > way (or less) solution.
> > > >
> > > > Hell, if it is a revolutionary new version of some open source
> > > > binary like PHP, Perl, Python, Ruby ... that they revamped and made
> > > > it their own - or simply wrote slick classes/methods one can use to
> > > > deploy filePro (legacy) to web; just tell us - I have a full blown
> > > > application written in filePro I would love to see running off a
> browser.
> > > >
> > > > All that BS being said, BS because I know I am spewing comments
> > > > without having a clue as to what they are about to unveil; but that
> > > > goes directly to the point, a teaser would help without having to
> > > > spend $500 to $1500 bucks to find out.
> > > >
> > > > Oh, how is the licensing gonna work?  Per seat?  lol - this could
> hurt.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 7/4/19 1:16 PM, Wayne Smith via Filepro-list wrote:
> > > > > Well there you have it .....the peanut gallery has spoken
> > > > > ....crawl back under your rock.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 1:10 PM Fairlight via Filepro-list <
> > > > > filepro-list at lists.celestial.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Personally, I would need to see at least a single screenshot
> > > > >> demonstrating that you've progressed far past the 80x24 world
> > > > >> before I'd even -think- about trying to justify the expense of
> > > > >> attending.  A video would be even better.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> You're not Blizzard Entertainment or VMware.  You cannot
> > > > >> -seriously- think that a zero-ROI conference with all the
> > > > >> inherrent expenses is the best way to launch a product, nor that
> > > > >> you can actually command that kind of loyalty at this point in
> > > > >> time.  If you do, you're simply out of touch with your audience,
> and
> > possibly reality in general.
> > > > >> Hell, a large percentage of the people who would have been the
> > > > >> most likely to attend are either dead, retired, or moved on to
> other
> > solutions.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> It's a sad state of affairs when a company holds its
> > > > >> -promotional- activities behind a prohibitive paywall with zero
> > > > >> visible ROI for making the effort.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> mark->
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Thu, Jul 04, 2019 at 11:45:29AM -0400, Bud Henschen via
> > > > >> Filepro-list thus spoke:
> > > > >>> Hello All,
> > > > >>>         Yes the conference location, date and times, etc. are in
> > > > >>> the attachment.  We did not intend to exclude any filePro
> > > > >>> Developer or End
> > > > >> User
> > > > >>> who uses filePro for writing their applications.  We also invite
> > > > >>> our longtime friends (like you Bob) to come and see the NEW
> > > > >>> filePro features
> > > > >> as
> > > > >>> well as the release of "filePro. WEB"  which will bring your
> applications
> > > > >>> from the legacy into the modern browser world.   We have been
> testing,
> > > > >>> installing, and scheduling demonstrations for our customers, and
> > > > >> competitors
> > > > >>> customers, and had ten (10) demo from just one show.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> We will not be having a vendor showcase due to the lack of
> > > > >>> space, but
> > > > >> there
> > > > >>> will be a reception on Friday Oct 11, 2019, so you are welcome to
> > attend.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Sincerely
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Bud L Henschen
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >>> From: Filepro-list
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> > > > >>> Behalf
> > > > >> Of
> > > > >>> filepro-list-request at lists.celestial.com
> > > > >>> Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 5:06 AM
> > > > >>> To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> > > > >>> Subject: Filepro-list Digest, Vol 186, Issue 3
> > > > >>>
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> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Today's Topics:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>     1. fileProWeb (Scott Walker)
> > > > >>>     2. Conference? (was Re: fileProWeb) (Bob Rasmussen)
> > > > >>>     3. Re: Conference? (was Re: fileProWeb) (Fairlight)
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >>> ----
> > > > >>> --
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Message: 1
> > > > >>> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 21:41:12 -0400
> > > > >>> From: "Scott Walker" <scottwalker at ramsystemscorp.com>
> > > > >>> To: <filepro-list at lists.celestial.com>
> > > > >>> Subject: fileProWeb
> > > > >>> Message-ID:
> > > > <010601d53209$91da8790$b58f96b0$@ramsystemscorp.com>
> > > > >>> Content-Type: text/plain;     charset="us-ascii"
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I see they are doing a session on fileProWeb at the conference.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Anybody on the list have any hands on with  it that they are
> > > > >>> free to
> > > > >> share?
> > > > >>> Regards,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Scott Walker
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> scottwalker at ramsystemscorp.com
> > > > >>> ------------------------------
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Message: 2
> > > > >>> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 20:45:50 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > >>> From: Bob Rasmussen <ras at anzio.com>
> > > > >>> To: Scott Walker <scottwalker at ramsystemscorp.com>
> > > > >>> Cc: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> > > > >>> Subject: Conference? (was Re: fileProWeb)
> > > > >>> Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1907032044350.23523 at server-04>
> > > > >>> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Is a conference firmly scheduled? Did I miss the memo? Was I
> invited?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, Scott Walker via Filepro-list wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> I see they are doing a session on fileProWeb at the conference.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Anybody on the list have any hands on with  it that they are
> > > > >>>> free to
> > > > >>> share?
> > > > >>>> Regards,
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Scott Walker
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> ------------------------------
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Message: 3
> > > > >>> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 23:59:06 -0400
> > > > >>> From: Fairlight <fairlite at fairlite.com>
> > > > >>> To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> > > > >>> Subject: Re: Conference? (was Re: fileProWeb)
> > > > >>> Message-ID: <20190704035906.GT28384 at iglou.com>
> > > > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> It's firmly scheduled.  I got emails today at two separate
> > > > >>> addresses.  I think anyone whose email address they have for
> > > > >>> -any- reason
> > > > was invited.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> m->
> > > > >>>
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