filePro Conference set for Oct 11 > 14, 2019 -- Your invited! Come and see new features and filePro WEB

Fairlight fairlite at fairlite.com
Fri Jul 5 16:02:13 PDT 2019 

Well let's look at the costs involved, shall we?

fP Tech said the conference is 3-4 days.  They specified:

* $260/person conference fee.
* $109 + tax per night for hotel room.
* 75 rooms reserved.

Let's check the math:

75 * 260 = 19500 <-- Conference Fees
75 * 109 * 4 = 32700 <-- Hotel Fees, no taxes
75 * 244 = 18300 <-- -Cheapest- airfare from where I am for a round-trip
                     flight for that window.

19500 + 32700 + 18300 = 70500 <-- Grand total expenditure for all involved
if they sell out the conference.

That's what you get for a -speculative- benefit.  This includes the
announcement of one product of unknown merit, and an otherwise unannounced
and/or unknown agenda, to date.  You are essentially flying down and
staying for a -fact-finding- mission to see if the ROI will -potentially-
be there, and that is -before- you pay one cent in license fees.

If people have -that- much money to burn on spec, I'll tell you what...
I'll make the community a deal.

If one or more of you gives me $70.5k by 00:00:00 EDT on 9/78/2019, I will
release -all- of my -current- standalone, for-resale software offerings as
perpetual open-source freeware, and -permanently- remove the cost barrier
to entry for those products for -everyone-.

This offer includes OneGate, OneBridge, RawQuery, LightMail...everything
that's been in the SuperPack and UltraPack packages, -plus- the unreleased
version of SuperQuery (a souped-up REST/SOAP-capable version of RawQuery
which I've never gotten the marketing done for, due to time constraints),
all for one low price.  That's essentially a wordwide site license from
which everyone benefits.  I'll even allow forking and custom versions.

If one or more of you (individually, as a group, one company, several
companies...I don't really care as long as the minimum is met), pay me at
least that $70.5K USD amount, by the deadline, nobody in this community
(nor anyone else) will ever have to pay a further license fee for any of
those products.  They will become freely usable by anyone.

Support concerns?  I'll continue do paid support as I have all along, at my
normal posted hourly rates for -my- versions of the programs.  The support
requirements for my software are so low that I'm not even concerned about
time constraints.

That is a -guaranteed- ROI which benefits the entire community, based on a
feature set which is a known quantity, suite-wide.  All products have been
deployed commercially, and they've got years of proven track record and
performance standing behind them.

Honestly, I think that's a more concrete benefit than a conference where
you merely get a peek at something you still have to buy.

Bests,

mark->


On Fri, Jul 05, 2019 at 05:29:09PM -0400, Richard Kreiss via Filepro-list thus spoke:
> Jose.
> 
> Not a big item but Breakfast and Lunch are included in the registration fee.
> 
> You could consider carpooling with anyone who will be attending from your area. That would keep your costs down.
> 
> On the other hand, you missed the fact that the conference is over a weekend in Orlando - "Mickey Mouse" country.  As in the past, some developers will come with their families as the hotel costs are a lot lower and in some cases their expenses are covered by their employer.  
> 
> When I attend these conferences, the costs come out of my pocket.  I pay for me and my wife.  I do have enough points on Southwest to book my flight using these points.
> 
> I would like to point out that I am using the subscription option as I get a head start on new functionality and can see how I can use them in my applications.  Currently I have 5 or 6 different applications I can upgrade with the new functionality.  Fp Web will just be another possible upgrade.  I already mentioned this to one client and he is interested.  This will require me to see what the functionality is and what it will cost to implement it.
> 
> I am aware that some developers have created their own browser based programs that are integrated with filePro but these, in many cases, are proprietary as they have not been offered to the filePro community.
> 
> Got to go.
> 
> Richard Kreiss
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Filepro-list [mailto:filepro-list-
> > bounces+rkreiss=verizon.net at lists.celestial.com] On Behalf Of Jose Lerebours
> > via Filepro-list
> > Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 3:20 PM
> > To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> > Subject: Re: filePro Conference set for Oct 11 > 14, 2019 -- Your invited! Come
> > and see new features and filePro WEB
> > 
> > Well, he is right.
> > 
> > I can drive to Tampa and back each day, but that is only me and a couple
> > others.  Even driving back and forth it would cost me $200 to $350 for three
> > days of travel and other expenses.
> > 
> > Those that have to flight and pay $109 per night, lunch and dinner (plus a couple
> > of drinks while sharing ideas with others) are looking at about $1K before it is all
> > over - Some material for preview; a teaser would help make a decision.
> > 
> > If they simply found a clever way to integrate fpWeb, I guarantee you it will
> > suck!
> > 
> > If they simply have means to push HTML pages without means to use AJAX to
> > run server side scripts, it is worthless.
> > 
> > If they still have those HTML commands in the server side, you might as well cut
> > your veins.  ;-)
> > 
> > If it is limited to filePro proprietary key/data files, it is a half way (or less)
> > solution.
> > 
> > Hell, if it is a revolutionary new version of some open source binary like PHP,
> > Perl, Python, Ruby ... that they revamped and made it their own - or simply
> > wrote slick classes/methods one can use to deploy filePro (legacy) to web; just
> > tell us - I have a full blown application written in filePro I would love to see
> > running off a browser.
> > 
> > All that BS being said, BS because I know I am spewing comments without
> > having a clue as to what they are about to unveil; but that goes directly to the
> > point, a teaser would help without having to spend $500 to $1500 bucks to find
> > out.
> > 
> > Oh, how is the licensing gonna work?  Per seat?  lol - this could hurt.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 7/4/19 1:16 PM, Wayne Smith via Filepro-list wrote:
> > > Well there you have it .....the peanut gallery has spoken ....crawl
> > > back under your rock.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 1:10 PM Fairlight via Filepro-list <
> > > filepro-list at lists.celestial.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Personally, I would need to see at least a single screenshot
> > >> demonstrating that you've progressed far past the 80x24 world before
> > >> I'd even -think- about trying to justify the expense of attending.  A
> > >> video would be even better.
> > >>
> > >> You're not Blizzard Entertainment or VMware.  You cannot -seriously-
> > >> think that a zero-ROI conference with all the inherrent expenses is
> > >> the best way to launch a product, nor that you can actually command
> > >> that kind of loyalty at this point in time.  If you do, you're simply
> > >> out of touch with your audience, and possibly reality in general.
> > >> Hell, a large percentage of the people who would have been the most
> > >> likely to attend are either dead, retired, or moved on to other solutions.
> > >>
> > >> It's a sad state of affairs when a company holds its -promotional-
> > >> activities behind a prohibitive paywall with zero visible ROI for
> > >> making the effort.
> > >>
> > >> mark->
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Jul 04, 2019 at 11:45:29AM -0400, Bud Henschen via
> > >> Filepro-list thus spoke:
> > >>> Hello All,
> > >>>         Yes the conference location, date and times, etc. are in the
> > >>> attachment.  We did not intend to exclude any filePro Developer or
> > >>> End
> > >> User
> > >>> who uses filePro for writing their applications.  We also invite our
> > >>> longtime friends (like you Bob) to come and see the NEW filePro
> > >>> features
> > >> as
> > >>> well as the release of "filePro. WEB"  which will bring your applications
> > >>> from the legacy into the modern browser world.   We have been testing,
> > >>> installing, and scheduling demonstrations for our customers, and
> > >> competitors
> > >>> customers, and had ten (10) demo from just one show.
> > >>>
> > >>> We will not be having a vendor showcase due to the lack of space,
> > >>> but
> > >> there
> > >>> will be a reception on Friday Oct 11, 2019, so you are welcome to attend.
> > >>>
> > >>> Sincerely
> > >>>
> > >>> Bud L Henschen
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: Filepro-list
> > >>> <filepro-list-bounces+chris=henschen.com at lists.celestial.com> On
> > >>> Behalf
> > >> Of
> > >>> filepro-list-request at lists.celestial.com
> > >>> Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 5:06 AM
> > >>> To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> > >>> Subject: Filepro-list Digest, Vol 186, Issue 3
> > >>>
> > >>> Send Filepro-list mailing list submissions to
> > >>>        filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Today's Topics:
> > >>>
> > >>>     1. fileProWeb (Scott Walker)
> > >>>     2. Conference? (was Re: fileProWeb) (Bob Rasmussen)
> > >>>     3. Re: Conference? (was Re: fileProWeb) (Fairlight)
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>> --
> > >>>
> > >>> Message: 1
> > >>> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 21:41:12 -0400
> > >>> From: "Scott Walker" <scottwalker at ramsystemscorp.com>
> > >>> To: <filepro-list at lists.celestial.com>
> > >>> Subject: fileProWeb
> > >>> Message-ID:
> > <010601d53209$91da8790$b58f96b0$@ramsystemscorp.com>
> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain;     charset="us-ascii"
> > >>>
> > >>> I see they are doing a session on fileProWeb at the conference.
> > >>>
> > >>> Anybody on the list have any hands on with  it that they are free to
> > >> share?
> > >>> Regards,
> > >>>
> > >>> Scott Walker
> > >>>
> > >>> scottwalker at ramsystemscorp.com
> > >>> ------------------------------
> > >>>
> > >>> Message: 2
> > >>> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 20:45:50 -0700 (PDT)
> > >>> From: Bob Rasmussen <ras at anzio.com>
> > >>> To: Scott Walker <scottwalker at ramsystemscorp.com>
> > >>> Cc: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> > >>> Subject: Conference? (was Re: fileProWeb)
> > >>> Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1907032044350.23523 at server-04>
> > >>> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
> > >>>
> > >>> Is a conference firmly scheduled? Did I miss the memo? Was I invited?
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, Scott Walker via Filepro-list wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I see they are doing a session on fileProWeb at the conference.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Anybody on the list have any hands on with  it that they are free
> > >>>> to
> > >>> share?
> > >>>> Regards,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Scott Walker
> > >>>>
> > >>> ------------------------------
> > >>>
> > >>> Message: 3
> > >>> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 23:59:06 -0400
> > >>> From: Fairlight <fairlite at fairlite.com>
> > >>> To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> > >>> Subject: Re: Conference? (was Re: fileProWeb)
> > >>> Message-ID: <20190704035906.GT28384 at iglou.com>
> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > >>>
> > >>> It's firmly scheduled.  I got emails today at two separate
> > >>> addresses.  I think anyone whose email address they have for -any- reason
> > was invited.
> > >>>
> > >>> m->
> > >>>
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> > >>>> ....Bob Rasmussen,   President,   Rasmussen Software, Inc.
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