Ot; Old Wish list requests
Fairlight
fairlite at fairlite.com
Mon Mar 26 14:28:50 PDT 2018
It's amusing that you want to call me on age, yet apparently have no clue
how old I -actually- am. Nice fact-checking. There's a career waiting for
you at CNN.
And you presume to speak for 'know one' [sic] wanting to know what I
think...why? I know several people here who do (generally) care what I
think, so you're factually wrong.
My opinions are no more or less valid than anyone else's, yours included.
If you don't like the fact that I express mine, I can't help you. My
silence can be purchased, but it'll run you.
m->
On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 04:14:35PM -0500, Richard D. Williams via Filepro-list thus spoke:
> Mark,
>
> I think everyone on this thread knows who is the "dick" here.
>
> Why don't you just grow up a little and understand that know one
> really wants to know what you think.
> It is never helpful, except to feed your over blown ego.
> You are just a mean person and you can not help yourself.
>
> I would think in your 43 years you have learned so manners.
> Oh that's right, this is the internet. You don't need manners.
>
> Perfect for you.
>
> Richard D. Williams
>
> BTW The way for those of you who think this is too personal, well
> Mark always goes for the personal insults.
>
>
> On 3/26/2018 10:45 AM, Fairlight via Filepro-list wrote:
> >Oh, you never saw the source in the past when I posted it in...2004? Huh.
> >You must have been too busy being a dick, I guess. Here, let me remedy
> >that (the lack of seeing -any- of my code, -not- the 'you being a dick',
> >which I doubt can be rectified no matter how much source code I produce):
> >
> >https://members.iglou.com/fairlite/wayne_can_stfu_now.tar.gz
> >
> >That's the Fairlight File Sharing System, written in filePro against my
> >OneGate CGI software. Ancient code, but it worked fine the last time it
> >was actually in use.
> >
> ></waynes_leg_to_stand_on>
> >
> >Never come at me that way with a personal attack unless you are ready for
> >the consequences, Wayne. In the immortal words of Illidan Stormrage:
> >"YOU ARE NOT PREPARED!"
> >
> >Far better and brighter people than you have had a go, and lost. You don't
> >intimidate me in the slightest, little man.
> >
> >(Preemptively, because -someone- will undoubtedly whine about how 'poor
> >Wayne' was treated: "He blatantly -asked- for it, pretty much literally."
> >I feel zero remorse over this one, nor can/will I be made to, so don't
> >bother trying.)
> >
> >Cheers! :)
> >
> >mark->
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:05:22AM -0500, Wayne Smith via Filepro-list thus spoke:
> >>In all the years I have seen you try to berate filePro I have yet to see
> >>any examples of what you have written. Why don't you just shut that clap
> >>trap of yours and let us fp programmers from level novice to expert, get
> >>our work done in peace without your criticism of which has never been
> >>welcome or useful in any way.
> >>
> >>Wayne Smith
> >>Port Orange. Florida
> >>
> >><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> >>
> >>On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 11:04 PM, Fairlight via Filepro-list <
> >>filepro-list at lists.celestial.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>In the days when your alternatives were assembly, BASIC, or COBOL, I
> >>>suppose it made sense as a low barrier-to-entry language.
> >>>
> >>>These days, it's a bad time investment. You'd be better off taking the
> >>>time to learn something proper like Perl or Python, and develop skills
> >>>which are more or less transferrable to other languages.
> >>>
> >>>I've lost track of the times something went wrong in fP because either the
> >>>engine itself was flaky (record locking comes to mind), or because some
> >>>obscure part of the language bit someone squarely in the arse. I'm -not-
> >>>a fan of strongly typed languages, but fP takes it too far in the other
> >>>direction. Combined with the piss-poor syntax checker and abysmal
> >>>error reporting, which mis-report your actual issues more often than they
> >>>illustrate it correctly, the entire combo is just plain aggravating.
> >>>
> >>>In all the time I've used filePro, I don't think an error on Index.A has
> >>>-ever- ACTUALLY been an error on Index.A. Seriously.
> >>>
> >>>m->
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 11:20:11PM -0400, Richard Kreiss thus spoke:
> >>>>Mark,
> >>>>
> >>>>What I posted was written in 1993 well before PCL6.
> >>>>
> >>>>I think that the new PDF printing option is their way of compensating for
> >>>>the inability of their output program to handle anything but PCL 3 or 5
> >>>on
> >>>>the Windows platform.
> >>>>
> >>>>It is not a perfect answer but it does work. I think that PrintWizard
> >>>is a
> >>>>much better solution as it doesn't need a lot of rewriting and can be
> >>>made
> >>>>transparent to the user. It also has a lot for flexibility once one
> >>>learns
> >>>>how to use it.
> >>>>
> >>>>Again, PDF etc. were not options in 1993.
> >>>>
> >>>>Also, keep in mind that some of the functions which were added may be
> >>>>functions that FP Tech needed to maintain their primary client. I have
> >>>>discussed the implementing the Spell Checker with a few of my clients who
> >>>>are running versions that have it. None of them wanted it implemented.
> >>>>However, I did implement the PDF printing for one client who is also
> >>>using
> >>>>PrintWizard. They want to be able to have some form letters (with logo)
> >>>>either printed or a PDF created from input processing with the ability to
> >>>>select the printer. This seemed to be a good place to use filePro's PDF
> >>>>creation option.
> >>>>
> >>>>I know that filePro is not perfect as it is missing a lot of
> >>>functionality
> >>>>that other databases have but it is still a programming language that
> >>>can be
> >>>>learned fairly quickly, for doing basic applications. But is capable of
> >>>>handling a lot of sophisticated programming. The tools are there, one
> >>>just
> >>>>needs to work out how to use them properly and when necessary make use of
> >>>>other programming languages to fill the gaps.
> >>>>
> >>>>Richard Kreiss
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>From: Filepro-list [mailto:filepro-list-
> >>>>>bounces+rkreiss=verizon.net at lists.celestial.com] On Behalf Of
> >>>Fairlight
> >>>>via
> >>>>>Filepro-list
> >>>>>Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 12:42 PM
> >>>>>To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> >>>>>Subject: Re: Ot; Old Wish list requests
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Hell, how about emulation of PCL5 -> PCL6, so people can buy any old
> >>>>printer
> >>>>>they want. Finding affordable PCL5 printers has become a challenge in
> >>>the
> >>>>last
> >>>>>decade or so.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>You'd think that would take precedence over things like...spell
> >>>checkers.
> >>>>>Also...regex implementation for processing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Of course, most of this is moot except for a few select clients who
> >>>>upgraded.
> >>>>>The majority of of my clients haven't moved past 5.0.14, nor do they
> >>>plan
> >>>>to.
> >>>>>m->
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 06:22:19PM +0000, Richard Kreiss via
> >>>Filepro-list
> >>>>thus
> >>>>>spoke:
> >>>>>>I came across this letter to Small Computer from 1993. I think that
> >>>>some of
> >>>>>the items are still viable requests.
> >>>>>>Although some of these have been addressed or are obsolete such as
> >>>using
> >>>>>WordPerfect print drivers.
> >>>>>>One Item - having one key and many data records making header and
> >>>detail
> >>>>>files easier to handle. I was asked, if memory serves, by Howie how do
> >>>>this. My
> >>>>>answer was, "you're the programmers".
> >>>>>>It might be convenient to have a way of linking a header file to a
> >>>data
> >>>>file
> >>>>>through filePro rather than linking them in programming and using an
> >>>>index.
> >>>>>Also, it would be convenient to be able to define an output by
> >>>assigning
> >>>>the each
> >>>>>section to a file. As an example the header could be linked directly
> >>>to
> >>>>the
> >>>>>necessary fields in the header file. The detail section could be
> >>>linked
> >>>>to the data
> >>>>>file thereby allow real fields to be used rather than using temporary
> >>>>fields or
> >>>>>vice-versa.
> >>>>>>Most of us would like to have the ability to update records from a
> >>>>browse
> >>>>>lookup. Yes, I have done this through programming but is a pain to do
> >>>>especially
> >>>>>getting the popup screen to overlay the browse line properly.
> >>>>>>I still would like to have the ability to define a multi-level array
> >>>>similar to what
> >>>>>one can do in Basic.
> >>>>>>Most of these Wishlist items have not been added.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>See letter below:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Richard Kreiss
> >>>>>>539 Fairway Drive
> >>>>>>Woodmere, New York 11598
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>March 24, 1993
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Small Computer Company
> >>>>>>41 Saw Mill River Road.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Hawthorne, New York 10532
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Attention: filePro Wish List
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>PRODUCE A MORE COHESIVE MANUAL.
> >>>>>> Print one index for all versions 3, 4 and 4.1. It is
> >>>almost
> >>>>impossible to
> >>>>>find anything if you don't recall what version it comes from.
> >>>>>> When new commands are added, give more examples of how
> >>>to
> >>>>use
> >>>>>the command.
> >>>>>>1. FilePro's Menu: (@once appears to answer this request)
> >>>>>> Allow for passing parameters to @pm field by prompting
> >>>the
> >>>>>>user for a response. This would be similar to prompting for a
> >>>>>>qualifier using the -qm option. You might define this a -rm. (I
> >>>>>>realize this may conflict with -rm command on Unix/Xenix systems)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>2. Define output:
> >>>>>> A. Allow for "Delete Blank Line" control for each
> >>>section
> >>>>of an output
> >>>>>(ie. Header, and each break section).
> >>>>>> B. Allow for the defining an absolute line(s) for a
> >>>break
> >>>>field(s) to begin
> >>>>>printing when defining the output rather the in output processing.
> >>>This
> >>>>is
> >>>>>especially true when creating a multi-lines form, such as an invoice,
> >>>from
> >>>>a
> >>>>>header file and a detail files or printing checks.
> >>>>>> C. Allow for break fields to be defined in sort/select
> >>>>processing.
> >>>>>> D. Better control of printers when printing boxes and
> >>>>lines on a report
> >>>>>or form.
> >>>>>> E. Allow for the importing of graphics when printing
> >>>>reports and
> >>>>>forms. (can be done using print codes)
> >>>>>> i.e. Logo's etc
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>3. Processing
> >>>>>> A. Allow for the defining a specific line for data to
> >>>be
> >>>>printed at using a
> >>>>>print command - @print("47") which would advance the printer to line 47
> >>>>and
> >>>>>print out the information to be printed. (This command would be
> >>>instead of
> >>>>or in
> >>>>>addition to 2.B).
> >>>>>> B. With filePro 4.X's ability to enter 121 character
> >>>per
> >>>>line, need the
> >>>>>ability to send print control code(s) to the printer when printing
> >>>>processing
> >>>>>tables. This is especially true if one wants to continue to print
> >>>>processing tables
> >>>>>using 8½x11 paper by using condensed type. Yes, many new printers will
> >>>>allow
> >>>>>for controlling this function at the printer. However, older printers
> >>>>don't make
> >>>>>this that easy and some of us are not necessarily sitting at or near
> >>>our
> >>>>printer.
> >>>>>(Without going to the Printer Definition and initialize in condensed
> >>>mode
> >>>>each
> >>>>>time)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>4. Define Files:
> >>>>>> A. Allow for the creation of a file which allows for 1
> >>>>KEY RECORD to
> >>>>>have multiple DATA RECORDS associated with it. This would make it much
> >>>>>simpler to handle programs which now require a header file and a detail
> >>>>file,
> >>>>>which contains multiple records associated with a key field in the
> >>>header
> >>>>file.
> >>>>>> Such programs as order entry and/or invoicing,
> >>>which
> >>>>may have a
> >>>>>large number of line items associated with them would be easier to work
> >>>>with.
> >>>>>> B. Have a memo field edit which can be used to add
> >>>>comments to a
> >>>>>record. (Finally available)
> >>>>>> C. Add binary field type for graphics display on
> >>>screen
> >>>>(and outputs).
> >>>>>(available but doesn't allow for display)
> >>>>>>5. Updating Records:
> >>>>>> A. Allow for the updating of multiple records while
> >>>using
> >>>>browse. This
> >>>>>function is available in dBase and some other data base managers and
> >>>makes
> >>>>it
> >>>>>very simple to handle the updating of multiple line items such as
> >>>during
> >>>>Accounts
> >>>>>Payable or Accounts Receivable data payment entry. This would include
> >>>>doing
> >>>>>processing on each record updated.
> >>>>>> B. Allow for full program control of function keys at
> >>>the
> >>>>field level
> >>>>>when using when processing.
> >>>>>> C. Allow for the redefining of the function keys when in
> >>>>input processing
> >>>>>so that when a specific function key is pressed, no matter what field
> >>>the
> >>>>cursor is
> >>>>>in, the action takes place.
> >>>>>> D. Allow for multi-level arrays
> >>>>>> i.e. dim array ("1","50") = array(1) to array(50)
> >>>>defined once or dim
> >>>>>array ("1", ct) = array(1) to whatever variable "ct" equals, allowing
> >>>for
> >>>>variable
> >>>>>number of array elements depending on requirements. This would be very
> >>>>useful
> >>>>>when a header an detail files have been defined and the details are
> >>>>entered from
> >>>>>the header file and posted to the detail file after all details are
> >>>>entered as on
> >>>>>order entry.
> >>>>>>6. DEFINE PRINTERS
> >>>>>> Allow for the entry in the printer definition table, the
> >>>>number of
> >>>>>characters/inch for the defined font. This information would be used
> >>>when
> >>>>>"RESOLVING" fields. this would allow for easier alignment of fields
> >>>when
> >>>>using
> >>>>>other than a 10 pitch font.
> >>>>>> Make a deal with WordPerfect Corporation to use their
> >>>>Printer Drivers.
> >>>>>>Modify output programs to use WordPerfect printer drivers. This is
> >>>>possible as
> >>>>>they have drivers for their programs running all the platforms that
> >>>>filePro runs
> >>>>>on.
> >>>>>> This will allow for the most flexible report generator
> >>>for
> >>>>any database
> >>>>>program. Full use of all printer functions including printing graphics
> >>>>would be
> >>>>>possible. This is especially true of laser and inkjet printers which
> >>>are
> >>>>awkward to
> >>>>>handle now.
> >>>>>>7. Create a "PACK" command option which would look through a
> >>>>file and
> >>>>>remove blank records. This would be much easier the present multiple
> >>>>steps and
> >>>>>large amount of disk space which may be necessary currently.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Very truly yours,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Richard Kreiss
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