empty records?

Jose Lerebours fpgroups at gmail.com
Mon Jul 9 14:52:00 PDT 2018 

lol - Is this an old fashion band aid or a liquid band aid?


On 07/09/2018 03:25 PM, Robert Haussmann via Filepro-list wrote:
> Thanks again for everyone's input.  Per fPTech, the temporary workaround is to set PFOLDWIRTE=ON.
>
> I confirmed that, with this env variable set, the process behaves as expected (no blank record added) on all verions of fP.
>
> I wasn't familiar with this variable--for those interested, I found the following entries in the readme that mention PFOLDWRITE:
>
> Task #1526 (All)
> Problem caused by a fix last March. Work-around was to use
> PFOLDWRITE=ON, but that caused a conflict:
> dreport eee -f export_csv -a -ro
> Now, PFOLDWRITE is not necessary since pfcb will not be marked
> dirty IF offending code is reached from *report and -ro is used.
>
> Task #1509
> Fixed dummy fields disappearing off of the screen after a WRITE and END
> combo if a record has not been changed. Added PFOLDWRITE to revert to
> old method in case of issues, default OFF.
>
> Bob
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Filepro-list [mailto:filepro-list-
>> bounces+haussma=nextdimension.net at lists.celestial.com] On Behalf Of
>> Jose Lerebours via Filepro-list
>> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2018 3:01 PM
>> To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
>> Subject: Re: empty records?
>>
>> Well, there is only so much one can do ... if fp run time is not making it
>> possible we are then left with "wait for glitch fix".
>>
>> Thanks for the reply, I am sure others following this will benefit from your
>> reporting on your findings!
>>
>>
>> On 07/09/2018 02:51 PM, Bruce Easton via Filepro-list wrote:
>>> In my case under 5.6.06, Jose, ESC ESC of the popup, then testing @sk
>>> eq "BRKY" to then just executing "exit" saved the new record being
>>> used to stand on.  (Absolutely no "end" statement in this flow,
>>> [explicit end or assumed end].)
>>>
>>> But yes, performing the delete prior to exiting does delete the temp
>>> record, so that works for this technique at least under 5.6.06.
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>>
>>> On 7/9/18 2:26 PM, Jose Lerebours via Filepro-list wrote:
>>>> It makes no difference if you populate a bunch of dummy fields or
>>>> real fields, "ESC ESC" and "END" will save the record ...
>>>>
>>>> In lieu of "END", use "screen" command to place cursor ... the key
>>>> here is to never reach the "END" command if you do not wish to save
>>>> blank records (multiple per session very possibly).
>>>>
>>>> I figure you have an "X" to exit off the browse lookup or checking
>>>> for BRKY to see if user presses DEL DEL to break out ... in this
>>>> case, simply do "DELETE; EXIT" and see what happens.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 07/09/2018 01:56 PM, Bruce Easton via Filepro-list wrote:
>>>>> I needed to work on something related to this today, so I wanted to
>>>>> share my findings. Keep in my  - this is on Windows filepro version
>>>>> 5.6.06.  Originally I was trying to just run from @menu to browse
>>>>> another file and then popup update to collect data using a popup
>>>>> screen on the current file that only has dummy fields on it.  I had
>>>>> forgotten that you can't do this (filepro still thinks you're
>>>>> attempting to update something on the current record even though in
>>>>> this case it is just dummy fields that I want to ultimately write
>>>>> somewhere else - not to the current record).
>>>>>
>>>>> Ergo the need to use the add-record mode technique to stand on a new
>>>>> record.  So I changed the code to use @wef while standing on the new
>>>>> record (-xa flag from the script line), and it works OK, but what I
>>>>> noticed was this:  If I bail out before doing a popup or if I do the
>>>>> popup but cancel out of the popup (where processing leads to an
>>>>> "exit" command), the new record being used to stand on for this
>>>>> purpose is not saved, but if I save the popup (of dummy fields), and
>>>>> then bail out of the program with cancel, the new record is saved.
>>>>> This actually seems consistent from the point of view that filepro
>>>>> thinks that any popup update (of the type "-" for the current file)
>>>>> is an attempt to update the current record whether it has only dummy
>>>>> fields or real fields on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure if this behavior is consistent with previous versions,
>>>>> but I know I'd want to see all of Bob's code to know if there was
>>>>> something different  - at least between versions 5.6 and 5.8.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/6/18 10:01 PM, Jose Lerebours via Filepro-list wrote:
>>>>>> I am blown away to hear this ... I've used this technique for as
>>>>>> long as I can remember and the norm, as I understand it is/was,
>>>>>> "exit" prior to "end" does not save the record.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This has proven very handy for many quick processing where as
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *aa in a screen and
>>>>>>
>>>>>> @wef* in a processing table (I normally use a unique processing
>>>>>> table for each need/task so -z and -y are always invoked)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and parameter -xa to place in add record mode, which of course,
>>>>>> triggers @wef* ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is likely a BUG on this version - I just cannot imagine fp
>>>>>> changing this out of the blues without notice.   So, how much do
>>>>>> you get for finding a BUG?  A free upgrade or must you pay for the
>>>>>> version that addresses this BUG as well? ;-) lol   I say, even if
>>>>>> you are not "subscribed" for free upgrades, you are entitle to a
>>>>>> FREE ONE!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice find / great work ... Thanks!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 07/06/2018 08:02 PM, Robert Haussmann via Filepro-list wrote:
>>>>>>> Yep, this is indeed what is happening. It goes to a different
>>>>>>> section where it writes out a text file and then exists.  But the
>>>>>>> conclusion is the same--whereas previous versions of fP didn't
>>>>>>> save the blank record on "exit", 5.8.00.15 does.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Filepro-list [mailto:filepro-list-
>>>>>>>> bounces+haussma=nextdimension.net at lists.celestial.com] On
>> Behalf Of
>>>>>>>> Bruce Easton via Filepro-list
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2018 7:38 PM
>>>>>>>> To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: empty records?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps the execution is never getting back up to the start label
>>>>>>>> for some
>>>>>>>> reason.  I would recommend setting up a session in debug to see
>>>>>>>> where it
>>>>>>>> goes when the user saves their input.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/6/18 7:32 PM, Robert Haussmann via Filepro-list wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Actually records aren't added through this method (I add the
>>>>>>>>> records via a
>>>>>>>> standard rclerk instance with a different screen number).
>>>>>>>>> Yes, you are absolutely right-- it would be better not to have
>>>>>>>>> to sit on any
>>>>>>>> record.  I haven't considered using @menu--I'll have to give that
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> thought.
>>>>>>>>> Just tried the pushkey suggestion (both single and double), but
>>>>>>>>> no joy...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Filepro-list [mailto:filepro-list-
>>>>>>>>>> bounces+haussma=nextdimension.net at lists.celestial.com] On
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>>> Bruce Easton via Filepro-list
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2018 7:23 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: empty records?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The technique used there begs more questions.  (I would
>> wonder,
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> instance, what happens to the record after it's been added -
>>>>>>>>>> what is
>>>>>>>>>> it used for and what it's supposed to retain..   Is it possible
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> it would be better designed to not sit on any record, say from
>>>>>>>>>> @menu,
>>>>>>>>>> while it's verifying that it has acceptable input...)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But I see your point.  It's odd that it behaves differently
>>>>>>>>>> now. You
>>>>>>>>>> could try this instead for the first line:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> start  If: 1 eq ""
>>>>>>>>>>         Then: pushkey "[BRKY][BRKY]"; end   '(or just one BRKY for
>>>>>>>>>> Windows I
>>>>>>>>>> think)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/18 6:59 PM, Robert Haussmann via Filepro-list wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I use "start" as the label. This code as actually written
>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>> 2 decades(!)
>>>>>>>>>> ago, so I'm having a little difficulty remembering. But it looks
>>>>>>>>>> like the general flow is:
>>>>>>>>>>> @wef1 label ensures we are on the right screen #, if so go to
>>>>>>>>>>> the "login"
>>>>>>>>>> label, if not end:
>>>>>>>>>>> 12  -------   -   -   -   -
>>>>>>>>>>> @wef1  ◄ If: @sn eq "9"
>>>>>>>>>>>            Then: goto login
>>>>>>>>>>>      13  -------   -   -   -   -
>>>>>>>>>>>            ◄ If:
>>>>>>>>>>>            Then: end
>>>>>>>>>>>      14  -------   -   -   -   -
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "login" is where we input username/password and check that
>>>>>>>>>>> they are
>>>>>>>>>> valid.
>>>>>>>>>>> The actual processing itself (after some comments and variable
>>>>>>>>>> declarations) is here (the "Start" label):
>>>>>>>>>>> start  ◄ If: 1 eq ""
>>>>>>>>>>>            Then:  exit                      'do not save blank
>>>>>>>>>>> records
>>>>>>>>>>>      11  -------   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   - - -   -   -
>>>>>>>>>>> -   -   -   -
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Filepro-list [mailto:filepro-list-
>>>>>>>>>>>> bounces+haussma=nextdimension.net at lists.celestial.com] On
>> Behalf
>>>>>>>> Of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bruce Easton via Filepro-list
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2018 6:55 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: empty records?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just curious - is there a label on that first line? (More
>>>>>>>>>>>> importantly a filepro reserved word event trigger?) I'm just
>>>>>>>>>>>> wondering how the program is supposed to test that first line
>>>>>>>>>>>> prior
>>>>>>>>>>>> to an "SAVE" or "CANCEL" coming
>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>> the user or the program...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/18 6:46 PM, Robert Haussmann via Filepro-list wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bruce and Jose--thank you both for your suggestions.  I think I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> found out
>>>>>>>>>>>> what's going on.  The one database is used for security
>>>>>>>>>>>> (contains a
>>>>>>>>>>>> list of usernames, pw's and access rights).  We go into this
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> "rclerk security -
>>>>>>>>>> s9 -
>>>>>>>>>>>> xa -d", and then the processing inputs
>> username+password.  The
>>>>>>>>>>>> first line
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> input processing is:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If: 1 eq ""
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then: exit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, it seems that in 5.8.00.08, things work as expected.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But in
>>>>>>>>>> 5.8.00.15,
>>>>>>>>>>>> this results in a new record being saved. (not sure when this
>>>>>>>>>>>> behavior was introduced, as I don't have the interim versions
>>>>>>>>>>>> available
>>>>>>>> to test.).
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Filepro-list [mailto:filepro-list-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bounces+haussma=nextdimension.net at lists.celestial.com]
>> On
>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>> Of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert Haussmann via Filepro-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2018 6:32 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Bruce Easton <bruce at stn.com>; 'Filepro List'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <filepro-list at celestial.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: empty records?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks--I've definitely run into this before (where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> basically it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keeps adding records until you kill the process). That's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case here--these are getting added one at a time it seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day I might see anywhere between 20 and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 200 new records).  It is the strangest thing. I have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is related to the updated version....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Filepro-list [mailto:filepro-list-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> bounces+haussma=nextdimension.net at lists.celestial.com] On
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>> Of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bruce Easton via Filepro-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2018 6:23 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: empty records?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only thing I've seen that can cause this if you have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screens that have no field on them that can be updated,
>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they you allow access to users to get to any of those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screens with
>>>>>>>> 'Add Records'
>>>>>>>>>> mode.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/18 6:17 PM, Robert Haussmann via Filepro-list
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone encountered an issue with fP in which
>> completely
>>>>>>>>>> empty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> records are created seemingly at random?  We are seeing
>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appears to be phantom blank records getting inserted into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specific filepro
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> databases.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These dbs have run for years with no problem-the only
>> change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently was updating from 5.8.00.03 to 5.8.00.15
>> (Windows
>>>>>>>> version).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm honestly not even sure where to start looking-as I
>> noted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these apps ran for years (decades, really) without issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bob Haussmann
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