Ubuntu Install / Weekend warrior project

Fri Apr 6 11:40:53 PDT 2018

I never adopted Debian, as when I looked into it, it was essentially -the-
farthest behind in terms of issuing security updates in any sort of timely
fashion.  They snoozed, they lost.  Doesn't matter how fast they are now;
I was done with them before I started.

Then I would absolutely hate Debian, if they really originated all the
weirdo locations for things.  *shudder*

I'm really not a fan of their GNU politics, either.  And Ubuntu takes it a
step further with the third-world-hugging nature of their own politics.

I like a well-engineered, stable OS which comes unencumbered by any
politics whatsoever.  Red Hat's only politics are dollars, and CentOS has
even fewer politics than that.  They also stepped up their engineering.
Works for me.

I -used- to agree with Bill Campbell that SuSE -was- the best-engineered
distro out there.  In the SuSE 9 Pro era, this was certainly the case.
SuSE really went downhill, though.

m->

On Fri, Apr 06, 2018 at 02:16:48PM -0400, Microlite filePro Mail List via Filepro-list thus spoke:
> Well, I don't get into Linux politics, but it wasn't Ubuntu that changed anything.
> Ubuntu is based on Debian, and according to Debian they are the one true GNU Linux and are very progressive and everyone else is Wrong :-(
> 
> Like you, I prefer CentOS, RHEL, Oracle Linux, Scientific Linux, and even ClearOS, all part of the same family.
> 
> Some people coming out of the SCO world seem to like SuSE, but not me. I support it because running on Ubuntu and SuSE generate sales for us.
> 
> I have a couple of Ubuntu VMs deployed in production, but most everything we use in production Web/FTP, Zimbra, DNS servers Zimbra mail server, etc. is either RHEL or CentOS.
> 
> Tom Podnar
> Microlite Corporation
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 2:00:44 PM
> Subject: Re: Ubuntu Install / Weekend warrior project
> 
> Oh, I eventually got it to do what I wanted.  It took 20x as long as it
> would with CentOS/RH, SuSE, or any sane distro, but it's not like I failed.
> I got done what I set out to get done.
> 
> I go back to the Slackware pre-1.0 days.  Literally, there was SLS and
> Slackware, and Slackware wasn't even to 1.0 yet.  I survived through
> manually rolling the a.out to ELF migration, libc4 to libc5, libc5 to
> glibc, and numerous other old-school hardships, -well- before Linux was
> trendy.
> 
> Ubuntu is an annoyance.  A major annoyance, but an annoyance.  I -can-
> still work with it, but it's going to cost more in time spent.  I would
> simply never advocate using a platform so non-standardised compared to
> everything else out there, when it makes it take longer to administer.
> Everything about it appears to be 'engineered' to cause the maximum amount
> of pain, and reduce ROI in a server role.  I've liked what I've seen of the
> desktop, but that software can obviously be brought to a sane distro, so
> there's no reason to suffer Ubuntu's other 'quirks'.
> 
> I've been with RH since 6.2 (the original 6.2, not the RHEL-based 6.2).  I
> have had clients using SuSE as well, so I know all the SuSE from 9 Pro to
> SLES 10, and OpenSuSE from 10.0 through 11.4, with a dash of 12.1.  I'm
> extremely disenchanted with SuSE.
> 
> I'm pretty loyal to CentOS at this point in time.  The older I get, the
> less likely I am to jump distros unless someone screws up in a major way.
> Unlike the old days, when I'd rebuild every single development kernel
> from scratch whether I needed it or not, I simply don't have the time or
> energy to be arsed with doing things -I don't need to do-.  That would
> include figuring out how Ubuntu managed to cock up the location of half
> the packages' configurations from standard to wherever they (mistakenly!)
> thought was a good place to put them.  It's arguably worse than Mandrake.
> If you knew how much I loathed Mandrake, you'd understand what a damning
> indictment that is.  Mandrake was unstable as all hell, but it was still
> pretty standard for the time.  It was unstable largely because of the way
> they compiled it, but it was still a RH clone.  Ubuntu is simply -wrong-,
> and off doing things their own way for the sake of doing it their way.
> 
> I literally have to be paid to even touch Ubuntu.  I would never put
> it on one of my own devices willingly, or buy a device which had it
> pre-installed.  
> 
> m->
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 06, 2018 at 01:24:48PM -0400, Microlite filePro Mail List via Filepro-list thus spoke:
> > I'm sorry to hear that you don't seem able to get Ubuntu to do what you want.
> > 
> > Myself, I am a Red Hat / CentOS family fan.
> > But SUSE and Ubuntu Server are other platforms that we support with BackupEDGE, so we're constantly installing test servers, in both BIOS and UEFI modes, and don't seem to have an issue with them. I guess we are just used to every Linux variant having its own warts.
> > 
> > There is certainly no such thing as "one" Linux.
> > 
> > Tom Podnar
> > Microlite Corporation
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
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> > To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> > Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 1:05:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: Ubuntu Install / Weekend warrior project
> > 
> > There's a single-line Ubuntu-as-server checklist:
> > 
> > 1)  Slash wrists.
> > 
> > I recently installed Ubuntu Server 17 to do a baseline performance test
> > comparison against CentOS.  I had nothing but problems with the
> > -installation-.  I mean, if anything should go smoothly, it should be the
> > installer.
> > 
> > Nope.
> > 
> > First, it wouldn't write grub to the MBR.  Then, upon retries, it flaked
> > the network interface to a degree which appears to have corrupted the ARP
> > table entry for that IP#.  Then I got the networking back in the installer
> > when I moved to a different IP#, but grub wouldn't install at least seven
> > more times.  FINALLY I coaxed it into installing.
> > 
> > Then, once you have it installed, -nothing- is in a standard location.
> > Then entire absence of /etc/sysconfig/ (a long-standing location which
> > -both- SuSE and Red Hat have used for over a decade) is a massive red flag.
> > 
> > Between the politics of their organisation, and the obvious love and care
> > which went into their 'engineering', I would -almost- rather install
> > Windows Server 2012 than Ubuntu Server.  I hate it that much.  I -can- work
> > with it, but I -can- work with Windows Server, too.  That doesn't mean it's
> > a good fit.
> > 
> > As a desktop, fine...whatever.  Enjoy.  As a server?  Are you insane, or
> > just a masochist?
> > 
> > m->
> > 
> > On Fri, Apr 06, 2018 at 12:06:21PM -0400, Jose Lerebours via Filepro-list thus spoke:
> > > Getting close to a weekend warrior project which includes:
> > > 
> > > 1. Backup SCO based filePro application
> > > 2. Install Ubuntu Server in PC/Server
> > > 3. Install filePro runtime/dev licenses in Ubuntu Server
> > > 4. Restore filePro application in Ubuntu Server
> > > 5. Run reasonable tests (1 or 2 lol) to make sure all is well and
> > > shell scripts/menus work as expected
> > > 
> > > Most if not all of my Linux experience has been with Ubuntu (love
> > > the community and simplicity of it all).  Never done filePro in one
> > > and I am hoping that I will not be forced to use SuSe or some other
> > > flavor (worst yet, RH).
> > > 
> > > If there is a "Check List" or a "How To" available to us out there,
> > > please point me in that direction ...
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Jose D. Lerebours
> > > 954-559-7186
> > > https://www.cargosaas.com
> > > http://www.ezbookeep.com
> > > http://www.ezdaemon.com
> > > http://www.fp2php.com
> > > 
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