ePrint (was Re: HP OfficeJet 6500A plus)

[Ken Cole]

Well, let me tell you a tale of how the "cloud" is so obviously monitored.

Some friends of mine run a small mostly on-line business selling
military miniature figures they make here in Brisbane for people to
play table top war games, make dioramas, etc.

They make a small range of US Delta's, US Rangers and Somali so people
can re-play "Black Hawk Down" and also some Iraqi Fedayeen and Afghan
Taliban so people can re-play more modern engagements.

The sell a lot using PayPal.

Their PayPal account got "frozen" a few weeks back on the premise that
they may be money laundering for foreign banned organisations.  The
organisations in question were the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

Nothing proven but my friends are sure the contents of their PayPal
invoices had been "sniffed" by software looking for certain key words.

Their business was inoperable for nearly a month while they proved to
PayPal who they were and that they were not bad guy money launderers.

Thank you big brother for looking after us, I sleep better at night
knowing of your activities. :(

On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Fairlight <fairlite at fairlite.com> wrote:
> Confusious (Steve Parker) say:
>>
>> I don't even yet trust "cloud" computing or third-party support remote
>> monitoring and support, so how backwards am I.
>
> s/backwards/smart/
>
>> Much of the remote monitoring we can and do accomplish ourselves. Then there
>> are local providers if the site is too much to want to manage oneself, and
>> would like to know that a data center open and manned 7 x 24 is keeping an
>> eye on things and will let you know id something starts to go sideways, but
>> I'm sorry, I have a problem with the NOC being located somewhere in the
>> outback of Pakistan.
>
> I really hate to disillusion you, but the major Federal agencies allegedly
> have direct taps at most (if not all) of the domestic carrier lines at the
> core level, from what I've been told--direct access built into the systems.
> Data is possibly -safer- overseas than stateside.  Unless you're using
> end-to-end encryption -and- physically control the server location, it's
> not to be considered secured, period.  Even that only gets you partially
> secured.  To be fully secured, you'd need to encrypt the filesystems -and-
> physically isolate the system to the degree that the ultra top-secret
> systems supposedly are--physical isolation, special conduits for cables
> in/out that are either pressurised or vacuum sealed, with sensors to detect
> any physical tampering...the works.
>
> See, you can -probably- trust a carrier's carrier like Level 3--they're
> state of the art, and left to their own devices they're not going to
> risk good business by being stupid.  Problem is, you can't trust the
> government whose country they're hosting their domestic (to us) data
> centers in--namely ours since the Patriot Act, Echelon, and a host (pardon
> the pun) of other things went into play.
>
> Doesn't matter if you're doing nothing illegal--it's the principle.  That,
> and the fact that the alphabet soup agencies love to bandy about the
> word "terrorism" as a magic wand and skeleton key to get themselves into
> anything they feel they want into.
>
> And while I may sound paranoid, I don't think I actually am.  In this day
> and age, it's actually just realistic assessment, IMHO.
>
>> How different is "cloud" computing? No one has been able to convince me
>> otherwise. When asked where my or my customer's data resides, there is
>> always a pregnant pause on the other end of the phone!
>
> I don't trust the cloud at all.  I don't like it for security reasons, and
> it's logistically unwieldly when you start dealing with even moderately
> large amounts of data.  Anything over 50-100GB, it's next to useless unless
> you're on 100mbit+.
>
>> So I concur. I don't care to have clear text emails sent to HP servers
>> (sitting no doubt in India or Pakistan) deciphering the data and sending it
>> of to who-knows-where as it is sent back to your customer's printer. Too
>> many security holes and too many thing to go wrong.
>
> Well, HP is another story entirely.  That's not a cloud...that's just
> someone that might peek to do what Google and Facebook been accused of many
> times--collecting data to sell to other companies.  Big difference between
> a consumer-oriented corporation, and a top-level carrier.
>
>> Just my two cents!
>
> Perfectly valid $0.02, but I see your $0.02 and raise you $0.02.
>
> mark->
> --
> Audio panton, cogito singularis.
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