filepro to sql

[Tyler]

Message: 2
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:47:24 -0400
From: Fairlight <fairlite at fairlite.com>
Subject: Re: filepro to sql

1, Since Ryan obviously reads the list and replies to it, why not let him
speak for himself?  Shouldn't you at least consult him first before going
off on a flame?

2, What's with all the ad hominem attacks, anyway?  Seriously, if you want
to talk 'professional', you're definitely not holding the moral high ground
that way.

As for the rest of your post, if you strip out the trolling and flaming
there's very little actual content, just "sound and fury..."

And I'll dare to say whatever I like, regardless of your opinion of it or
your attempts to bully me.

--
Tyler Style
http://malthusian-solutions.com



The honourable and venerable Tyler spoke thus:
> Oi vey, get off your high horse there Mark.

Anyone that's spent any time on this lists knows that even if I -were- on a
high horse, you'll have to being me pretty solid proof that I am in the
wrong before I'll back down.  If you don't know that, you don't read
enough.  And it would take someone I actually respect to point it out--a
category from which you excluded yourself with your flip comment about
Ryan's product.

> For one, it's hardly your place to be insulted - you're not the author.

On the contrary.  Many of us have a lot of colleagues and friends on this
list.  I count Ryan as both.  Someone that essentially disrespects a friend
of mine by saying something that may unjustly compromise his chances of
success with a venture will be standing in a very unenviable place.

> For two, in his own words: "This is just something that I spent some time
> on and wanted to put out there to see if it would be a useful product".
> My comment was hardly derisive!  It was just an acknowledgment of what
> he'd said.  Sheesh!

Yeah, he's spent time on it.  A good deal of it.  I know, as I've talked to
him regularly as he's been working on it.  As for the second half, coding
for this community on spec is pretty much -exactly- as he described it:
putting it out there to see if it's useful [enough for people to pry open
their wallets].  The part in brackets was the implied, if unspoken part
that Ryan should have added.  This community is a very hard sell, as most
of us have learned the hard way.

So while Ryan is not necessarily as expository as I am, I know -exactly-
what he was saying.

You, OTOH, dared to extrapolate his explanation into, "I thot it was a
serious tool beta kind of thing." [sic]

1) Learn to accurately represent someone else's work.  While "serious tool
beta kind of thing" is not only a horribly inept attempt at describing
something, it's also a vastly inaccurate extrapolated depiction of Ryan's
product (sight unseen by you, no less), with a demeaning and pretty
negative impact.

2) Learn to spell.  I thought you were halfway literate, but I could have
been incorrect.  Usually correcting someone's spelling in a public forum is
ridiculously immature, but my God, I've seen more literate displays from
twelve year olds playing Team Fortress 2, so it's rather justified in this
case, considering you're commenting in a professional forum about someone
else's professional work.

Anyone that knows business -at all- knows that perception counts for a
lot.  To be careless with one's words and even "accidentally" slam both
someone's product before it even hits the shelf is not only disrespectful,
it's potentially harming their business, and therefore their livelihood.
You're slanting the perception of the product before it can even represent
itself on the shelf of in the workplace.  If you'd even seen it in action,
you -might- have grounds to open your mouth, but you didn't, TTBOMK.

> -- Tyler Style http://malthusian-solutions.com

For someone whose last name is Style, one would think you would actually
display some.  Or at least some tact.  I thought I had the market cornered
on that front, but I'm (sort of) glad to see I have competition.

Unless you yourself are putting forth a superior offering for public
consumption, I don't see any call for you to insinuate anything about
someone else's, or even reinforce something you (incorrectly) perceived as
a negative connotation.

As for your assertion that I have no right to be offended--bollocks.  You
don't get to call that simply because it's inconvenient to you for me to
point out what a git you've made of yourself.  Ryan's not only a colleague,
he's a close personal friend.  I stand by my friends, whether they need me
to or not.

Now...my advice for you before this escalates into an all-out argument (if
you think it already has, you -really- don't read enough) would be to take
a deep breath, and walk away from this before you look more the fool than
you already do.  There's no way in hell you have the higher moral ground
at this point to win this one, so you may as well just shut it now and cut
your losses--especially when I'm even less in the mood to suffer fools
lightly than usual.

mark->
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