PHP an idiot's tool (was OT: Web page source code )

[Jose Lerebours]

Mark posted:

>Is it just me, or did Jose Lerebours say:
>> >From little-dot-ville, Mark exploded and revealed:
>
>If I explode, you'll know it. :)

Yeah, explode was not a good choice of word ...  I was just trying to
see
if any one really paid any attention to the entry line ...  :-)    Mark
normally uses some fancy stuff so I figure I check to see if he actually
paid any attention to that.  Well, I guess he does  ;-)

>
>One of my major issues with php is that I find a lot of PHP code
>incomprehensible with the display and processing code intermixed. I
>currently use Zope and Plone where page templates handle the display side,
>and processing is where it belongs behind the scened. I have also used the
>perl HTML::Template fairly successfully.
>

Funny, this has been my experience with filePro code.  Can't remember
how 
many times I came across code and got better understanding of the term
 the developers.

>
>If something is easier to "learn" on the surface, but harder or just plain
>unintuitive to learn the finer points of (and has p1$$-poor
>documentation!), you get crappy programs from the majority, and some really
>good stuff from the few that bother to learn it--but who probably bother to
>learn -anything- they do just as well.

It seems that you and I are on the same page here ... We just differ in
that
PHP is not bad even if it is easy; I truly believe that the developer
bears 
the responsibility   :-)

>Only reason I'm not looking at Python more seriously is because I have too
>much invested in Perl and I'm not looking to go through another migratory
>transitional period. Bill Campbell's glowing recommendations alone are
>enough to make me second-guess that decision, but I'd rather stay focused
>and hang onto my time investment for now.

Python and Ruby are something I have wanted to look at.  But as it is
the case 
with you, if  I do not have a financial gain in the horizon it makes it
tough 
for me to jump in and start hacking at it.

TO WRAP THIS THREAD:
-------------------
Mark, it is no secret that I have a lot of respect for you.  You and I
go 
back some years and I am one of those you have jumped in front of the
bus
for (and a couple of times your foot was on the gas paddle).  I hope
that
this little argument does not spark a bad taste.  I don't even want to 
think of it as an argument but rather an educational and constructive 
exchange of knowledge.  I say this because one member posted where he 
thought you were being hostile or indifferent, not understanding that
you
were bringing to our attention valid points.

As usual, I take with me a great deal from this exchange and look
forward
to more of them over the coming years.  Thank you for your sincere and 
uncensored opinion.

Regards,


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Jose Lerebours
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filePro + PHP Solution Developer