need of a web based message board

[Brian K. White]

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From: "Fairlight" <fairlite at fairlite.com>
To: <filepro-list at lists.celestial.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: need of a web based message board


>
>> All this "web 2.0" stuff is awsome.  I can't imagine the bad old days
>> before I had my own Gallery, Mediawiki, and Ampache at home so I can
>> deposit, access, & share my pictures, knowledge, and music from anywhere.
>
> I don't get caught up in the "web 2.0" buzzword scene.  There -are- some
[...]

Who cares what it's called? You're talking to a guy who still writes all his 
cgi in ksh, still hasn't learned javascript or perl, played with php for the 
first time for one teeny cgi just a few days ago. Yeah I'm all about the 
buzzwords.

[...]
>> I must get off my rear and play with zope w/plone.
>> http://seankelly.tv/videos/better-web-app-development
>
[...]
> It's hard to be impressed with LoC comparisons when you're spending the
> entire viewing time wondering why there's -code- to begin with.  Given
> that, it's hard to trust a comparative analysis to be worth a damn when at
> least -some- part of the underlying logic is flawed, thus making the party
> seem untrustworthy on the whole.  IMHO, he's just as flawed for choosing
> whatever ended up with the lowest LoC count as if he'd used J2EE, since
> both are overkill for the task.  How do you trust someone's judgement when
> they blow such obvious calls in logical choice?


The point was to make the assertion that for the user interface, the most 
important feature is short development cycle, and to determin the framework 
that best serves that assertion.

He provided the theory and some examples to support that assertion, but even 
so I guess it could still be argued.
That part wasn't a proof, just a set of facts and observations and a 
conclusion.

I guess you could also argue his proof of which framework best serves that 
assertion, by claiming the hello world app isn't representative of a larger 
app.

Whaddya want? The video is already 400 megs. He's trying to make a certain 
critcal point and deliver it in a way that harried, overworked, too busy, 
information overloaded, people can ingest, so a simple paper which could say 
the same thing in a few K just doesn't do the same job. Thats why there even 
are are these things called "presentations" even though the technically more 
efficient written word has existed for thousands of years. As a 
presentation, it can't get much bigger or take much longer even if there 
wasn't any tech issue of file size. As a presentation, I think it does it's 
job perfectly, which is merely to present the assertion. You are now free to 
investigate it further by more efficient and more thorough means. If you 
look at the presentation and say "This doesn't prove that I should drop 
everything and switch from christianity to plone." Then I think you missed 
the point.

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