using a mac with linux and filepro

[John Esak]

John Esak said:

> > If you are of the Linux ilk that feels everything should be free and
> > cost nothing...
>

Walter Vaughan said:

> Actually I've spent more on software this year than i've spent in
> the past 20
> years combined. It's just that I'm not interested unless I have
> the source code
> anymore.
>
> Open source isn't a panecea. It's not at all about free stuff.
> It's about the
> upstream contributions.

Rubbish... at exactly what level of coding do you think you exist? I doubt
you are capable of producing the simplest driver for the simplest "open
source" project you "own". Nor is nearly one in a million of the "users" out
there who claim the same nonsense you do.  Sorry, please put up  some of
your own "open source" contributions that have been added to any open source
project you own... and I will take back my refutation of your argument.

You have reasons for "buying" all the software you say you've bought this
year, and they are not because you wish to add to the code base. At least be
honest enough to state these "along" with your more altruistic
rationalizations.

filePro costs money... and all I can say is... thank God it does... because
the moment it or other software put out by free enterprise companies were to
go the route of your FreeBSD and Linux favorites, it would just become
another nail in the coffin of the principles on which this country, at
least, was founded. At which point, when the burial is finished... all your
other precious "free" stuff will lose the only stronghold of freedom which
allows it to exist in the first place. Good luck obtaining software the way
"you" want it when that grim day ever arrives, and you are relying on all
the brain trusts from France and Iran to keep it alive.

Give me Anzio over putty any day, any time... it's people like Bob and his
product that make the world go around... not those who steal the ideas of
others and regurgitate them badly as clones for free... I'll pay the cost of
Word against the free availability of something that copies everything about
it except the ethics and rights of the original designers. yeah, yeah, the
big evil empire is so terrible... I know... I know... I've heard all the
bullsh*t before... and yeah, now you're going to tell me that old Linus just
developed his little brainchild completely out of the blue without ever
having seen anything done by oh, let's see... maybe AT&T?  All those
designers and engineers at Bell didn't give him any ideas did they... :-)
It's amazing how much bullsh*t one is asked to swallow when someone wants to
get around paying $$ for value given. Oh yeah, wait a minute, there aren't
any illegal copies of software in China either are there.

C'mon Walter, you've spent more on software this year than you have in the
past 20??  Which software and why? Certainly not because it was free and
open source. Free and open source doesn't cost anything... or is there
something else I'm missing here?

I knew when I put out the suggestion that someone needing something for a
Linux situation might consider actually supporting a company that makes
their living by producing software for $$, was going to be problematic. At
least, I knew it would start the usual firestorms of nonsense and crap about
open source and "free". God, for once I should just save myself and everyone
else the grief, huh? I even tried to soften the blow by acknowledging that
it might be a suggestion offered to someone who doesn't feel paying for
value given is a good idea... I was hoping it would be an okay thing to do
anyway... and would not spark the kind of thing you want believed... It's
not about free...  it's about upstream contribution. Boy, the brain washing
is almost complete, isn't it.

If you're not interested in software that costs money... why do you
constantly read and write things in this list, which is about filePro? If
you're "not interested"... should I assume you don't buy it also any more
and don't think it's worth your enormous $$ spending outlay this year
either? I doubt they are providing you their source code. Bending your
principles here are you? Why?  Why haven't you in all these 20 years put
your source coding talents to designing (or shouldn't I rather say) copying
filePro into an "open source" clone? Can't motivate the real talent it would
take in hundreds of people, maybe thousands, to just emulate the first few
lines of code produced by Ken and a couple others all those 25 years ago?
Seems all pretty fishy and totally disingenuous to me. In fact... it seems
just like the same old bullsh*t. Got anything new?

John Esak