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david cerezo
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Fri Jul 27 09:28:11 PDT 2007
I can see the email.
David Cerezo.
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6. Re: Export Syntax (Fairlight)
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8. Re: Export Syntax (Kenneth Brody)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:13:51 -0400
From: "Howard Wolowitz" <howiewz at aljex.com>
Subject: test
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Please respond if you can see this email.
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Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:22:40 -0400
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yep saw it
On 7/27/07, Howard Wolowitz <howiewz at aljex.com> wrote:
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Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:44:06 -0400
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Here is a plain text response :)
Bruce
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:07:55 -0400
From: "Scott Walker" <ScottWalker at RAMSystemsCorp.com>
Subject: Export Syntax
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I am exporting an ascii file on a SCO Unix system. The file will
actually be used on a windows system so I want the record separator to
be a CR/LF.
I'm using:
export ascii banner=(mv) r=chr("10")&chr("13") f=, o=" c="
but that bombs on syntax check.
How do I tell fp to use CR/LF as record separator?
Thanks.
Scott Walker
RAM Systems Corp.
ScottWalker at RAMSystemsCorp.com
Ph: (704) 896-6549
Fx: (704) 896-7458
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:53:28 -0400
From: Boaz Bezborodko <boaz at mirrotek.com>
Subject: Re: Filepro-list Digest, Vol 42, Issue 50
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> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:31:48 -0400
> From: Fairlight <fairlite at fairlite.com>
> Subject: Re: Filepro-list Digest, Vol 42, Issue 48
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>
> Only Boaz Bezborodko would say something like:
>
>> What I learned in the process is that the learning curve on Samba was
>> steep enough that I probably would have been better off moving FP to
>>
>
> I don't recall samba as having a steep learning curve. man smb.conf
> I've been through older versions (2.x) and newer (3.x) and had to migrate
> between the two. It's never taken more than a couple hours to figure out
> what was wrong.
>
> The biggest issue was SuSE 10.1 having some issue whereby the registry got
> corrupted, and I wasn't aware they'd added one until I started digging.
> Remind me again why samba needs its own registry files? Anyway, I think
> the user corrupted it in that case, although I can't prove it one way or
> another. It could have shipped bad, it could have been
> misconfiguration--they screwed up enough else even using yast that it took
> longer to undo their damage than to do it properly from scratch.
>
> Which just goes to show you, having an admin tool isn't everything, you
> actually have to know what data you're putting into it. And this was a
> person that keeps touting scoadmin as easy. YaST makes far more achievable
> easily, but it's that "far more" that's at issue. For instance, the
> user complains sendmail and apache are hard to configure on linux. They
> can't configure it properly on SCO either, but they blame the OS anyway,
> nevermind that more tools are provided to do it at a basic level that they
> still can't get right due to lack of understanding of the basic subsystem.
> That annoys the hell out of me.
>
> What people -want- are psychic admin tools that do what they want, not what
> they tell it to do. Anything less, and you get, "This OS is horrible
> compared to [insert their favourite OS]." Sorry folks, it's not the OS,
> it's a lack of fundamental low-level knowledge. Given that knowledge, you
> can do it at the raw level on any system without admin tools of -any- sort.
>
> And people complain that I come across as elitist when saying people in
> general should know what they're doing or have time to learn. The truth
> is, -they're- the ones damaging their systems via ignorance. It's a valid
> point they just don't want to hear because they've been indoctrinated into
> the, "All OSes should be PnP," school of thought. I'm sorry, but after the
> hardware detection and driver loading is done, *nix should not be PnP in my
> opinion. It's too powerful a tool to give to the ignorant. It's like
> giving a .50cal machine gun to a 5yr-old, or letting kids drive at age 10.
>
> Okay, you may have touched a sore point, there. :) Nothing personal...more
> wrapped up in what I've seen in the past. But citing the whole learning
> curve thing just sets it off. The learning curve isn't that steep, and
> with power comes complexity anyway (usually), so it's actually ahead of the
> game. I see no grounds for complaints unless something is made -so- overly
> complex that it's ludicrous. Best example of needlessly complex that comes
> to mind is the sudoers file syntax. THAT is needlessly complex, although
> pretty powerful.
>
> mark->
>
No offense, Mark, but you were the one who was most hostile to my
request for assistance in what I would have to know or learn to move
forward. An example of what I was looking for was a list or some links
to some of the basic aspects of what I was looking to do.
For example, if someone was looking to set up a Samba server I would
tell them to look up some basics (in no particular order and not
comprehensive)
-- Understand Linux security via file permissions etc.
-- Decide if you need better granularity. If you do then explore using
ACLs and read up on Samba and its implementation of ACLs (I decided I
didn't need to bother) and get a later version of Samba to support it.
-- Forget SELinux (as per your instructions- thanks for that help in
case I forgot to thank you before) unless you absolutely need the extra
protection--and most don't.
-- Install Webmin for some basic functions such as modifying the
firewall setups. Don't bother with it for Samba unless you are only
doing a very basic setup.
-- If your setup is this complex then spend the money on decent backup
software. BackupEdge is easy to use and has so many different features
and options its worth the money. Yes, you can do wonderful things with
basic Linux functions, but you'll spend quite a bit of time figuring
them out and setting them up. (I read up on them, but I didn't bother
putting the time in.)
-- Learn the command line interface. It's not the the GUI doesn't have
tools that help, it's that they are so limited that they hide access to
the functionality and features you probably need to modify for such a
more complex environment.
-- If you want to set up printing and automatic driver downloading
through the Samba server then read this:
http://www.linuxprinting.org/kpfeifle/SambaPrintHOWTO/Samba-HOWTO-Collection-3.0-PrintingChapter-11th-draft.html#9_1
Especially the tagged location for the "Point'nPrint". Just
understanding the need to "tickle" the driver setup will help you from
wasting a lot of time trying to figure out why some drivers won't
print. (This isn't pointed out in all the documentation on the subject.)
-- Oplock setup for Samba use with FilePro (on the share level of the
configuration file)
level2 oplocks = no
oplocks = no
I went up not a few wrong branches because of a lack of direction.
Sometimes it was because I got an idea of how I might be able to use a
particular feature only to find out later that I shouldn't have bothered
for whatever reason.
Boaz
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:57:16 -0400
From: Fairlight <fairlite at fairlite.com>
Subject: Re: Export Syntax
To: Filepro_List <filepro-list at lists.celestial.com>
Message-ID: <20070727115716.A9843 at iglou.com>
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This public service announcement was brought to you by Scott Walker:
> I am exporting an ascii file on a SCO Unix system. The file will
> actually be used on a windows system so I want the record separator to
> be a CR/LF.
>
> I'm using:
>
> export ascii banner=(mv) r=chr("10")&chr("13") f=, o=" c="
>
> but that bombs on syntax check.
>
> How do I tell fp to use CR/LF as record separator?
I was told that you can only use single-byte separators in export and
import, so the answer would appear to be, "You can't."
TTBOMK, you need to use open/writeline/close instead. Since writeline will
append its own \n, just make sure you toss in a \r at the end of your line
contents.
mark->
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:58:33 -0400
From: "Bruce Easton" <bruce at stn.com>
Subject: RE: Export Syntax
To: "filepro list" <filepro-list at lists.celestial.com>
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Scott Walker wrote Friday, July 27, 2007 11:08 AM:
>
> I am exporting an ascii file on a SCO Unix system. The file will
> actually be used on a windows system so I want the record separator to
> be a CR/LF.
>
> I'm using:
>
> export ascii banner=(mv) r=chr("10")&chr("13") f=, o=" c="
>
> but that bombs on syntax check.
>
> How do I tell fp to use CR/LF as record separator?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Scott Walker
Scott, try r=10&13
Bruce
Bruce Easton
STN, Inc.
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:02:39 -0400
From: Kenneth Brody <kenbrody at bestweb.net>
Subject: Re: Export Syntax
To: Scott Walker <ScottWalker at RAMSystemsCorp.com>
Cc: Filepro_List <filepro-list at lists.celestial.com>
Message-ID: <20070727120239.lvd0ks8ckok80wc8 at webmail.spamcop.net>
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Quoting Scott Walker (Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:07:55 -0400):
> I am exporting an ascii file on a SCO Unix system. The file will
> actually be used on a windows system so I want the record separator to
> be a CR/LF.
>
> I'm using:
>
> export ascii banner=(mv) r=chr("10")&chr("13") f=, o=" c="
>
> but that bombs on syntax check.
>
> How do I tell fp to use CR/LF as record separator?
You can't have a multi-character separator, as you have seen.
My recomendation would be to use "r=\n" to get the Unix end-of-line
character, and then use a text-mode transfer when copying it over to
Windows. This will convert LF to CRLF for you.
If this is not an option, then use the "xtod" utility (I believe
that is what SCO calls it) to convert the file to CRLF.
Also, is the conversion even required? Many programs on Windows
will work just with with LF instead of CRLF.
Finally, if no other option is available, then your last resort
might be to force the CR into the last field of the export, as in:
output[37] = field & chr("13")
--
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:07:42 -0700
From: Bill Campbell <bill at celestial.com>
Subject: Re: Filepro-list Digest, Vol 42, Issue 48
To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
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On Fri, Jul 27, 2007, Fairlight wrote:
>Only Boaz Bezborodko would say something like:
>>
>> What I learned in the process is that the learning curve on Samba was
>> steep enough that I probably would have been better off moving FP to
>
>I don't recall samba as having a steep learning curve. man smb.conf
>I've been through older versions (2.x) and newer (3.x) and had to migrate
>between the two. It's never taken more than a couple hours to figure out
>what was wrong.
I've found that using the standard ``swat'' web configuration tool very
helpful, particularly as it provides on-line help for every option. It's
part of the standard Samba distribution, and runs on port 901.
John Terpstra's books ``The Official Samba-3 HOWTO and Reference Guide'',
and ``Samba33 by Example'' are also excellent. These are available as PDF
downloads from the samba.org site as well as in the dead-trees versions.
...
Bill
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