OT - HP Printer

Sat Oct 21 02:59:23 PDT 2006

Calm down B. White ok, 

 You have managed to "read in" a lot into my simple email.  Do you see
anywhere in my email to the list that I personally recommended it? NO YOU
DON'T, you have implied that.  I merely provided a link to HP's site for
SPECS which they are indeed good at providing.  My reference to the "List
Fairy" was about the length of time it takes to get to fruition.   When my
email to the list didn't appear for a few hours I was sure the list fairy
had scooped it. I clipped out the PCL spec and posted it...then both came
through pretty quickly. 

I actually thought about buying one of these printers just to find out
exactly how well it would work with filePro, I don't know now, indeed PCL 6
and backwards compatibility with there Laser printers, HP has ALWAYS been
good at with their business class printers,  may now be an issue. 

I would never buy a high end HP Laser Printer without checking with Jim
Asman, I thought the fp list function  was to provide chat,  hints, tips,
tricks, insight into new and or well worn products.   OMG a color Laser
printer, Dual Processors, LCD monitors,  next thing you know HTML is going
to be accepted widely everywhere.....hahahahaha.  Ohh yeaaa, I left off the
filePro chat room which would have been the perfect place to kick this
football around. 

The budget department would have a COW  if I bought one of these beautys at
Office Depot ...but then I could box it up and hot foot right back down
there with it,  if it didn't meet my all my needs.   

The weekends are always a good time for some good old outright flames on
this list.  Let them begin if you desire.  Whew I need another cup of coffee

Wayne Smith 
Port Orange, Florida
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I clipped this out of an article on PCL6 .................... 

PCL 6 This version offered significant changes in the backward compatibility
issue for HP. PCL6 is very different from PCL5 and previous PCL versions.
One significant difference is the manner in which the commands are sent to
the printer. The target was performance and reliability; the jury is still
out on the question of better. Prior to PCL 6, each new version of the
language included commands not found in older versions as well as the older
PCL commands. As a result, printers with more recent versions of PCL are
backwards compatible with software that supports older versions of the
language. PCL 6 was released with the HP LaserJet 4000 series, HP LaserJet
4100 series, HP LaserJet 2100 series, HP LaserJet 2200 series, HP LaserJet
1200, HP LaserJet 3200, HP LaserJet 3300, HP LaserJet 4200 series, HP
LaserJet 4300 series, HP LaserJet 5000 series, HP LaserJet 5100 series, HP
LaserJet 8000 series and HP LaserJet 9000 series printers. PCL 6 features
new modular architecture that can be easily modified for future HP printers.
The efforts for faster, post printing return to application have made
somewhat of a problem with older operating systems. Other performance
efforts are faster printing of complex graphics, more efficient data streams
for reduced network traffic, better WYSIWYG printing, improved print quality
 truer document fidelity, and complete backward compatibility. The
compatibility issues have caused many users to select PCL 5 as the language
version. 

The PCL printer commands activate the printer features. Be design, HP
provided four general types of HP printer language commands. Control codes,
PCL commands, HP-GL/2 commands and PJL commands. 

A control code is a character that initiates a printer function (for example
 Carriage Return (CR), Line Feed (LF), Form Feed (FF), etc.). 

PCL commands provide access to the printer's PCL control structure. The PCL
structure controls all of the printer's features except those used for
vector graphics, which are controlled by the HP-GL/2 commands. PCL commands
(other than single-character control codes) are also referred to as "escape
sequences." That design provided very easy use from high level programming
languages and in reality, made the PCL the industry standard. The terms are
used interchangeably. Once a PCL command sets a feature of the printer that
feature remains set until that PCL command is repeated with a new value, or
the printer is reset to default. In other words you turn on the feature and
then turn it off. 

HP-GL/2 (vector graphic) commands are two letter codes that represent the
function of the command (such as IN for initialize). After the two-letter
mnemonic, there may be one or more parameters that identify details of how
to process the command. 

HP made great efforts to yield an ease on selecting feature and capabilities
in the PCL designs and procedures. That ease rewarded HP with the popularity
that is second to none in the industry for laser printers. They have been
active in creating other printer languages and utilities as well, such as
PJL, a JCL type language and utility. 

-------Original Message------- 

From: Brian K. White 
Date: 10/21/2006 1:59:34 AM 
To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com 
Subject: Re: OT - HP Printer 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wayne Smith" <SmittyUSN1 at BellSouth.net> 
To: <filepro-list at lists.celestial.com> 
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 7:55 PM 
Subject: Re: OT - HP Printer 

I guess the list fairys asleep today. 

Clipped out of HP SPECs for the HP COLOR laserjet 2800 

Print languages, std. 
HP PCL 6, HP Postscript Level 3 emulation, PostScript Printer Description 
(PPD) 

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Maybe the list fairy isn't commenting on this printer because the list fairy

Knows the one most important thing everyone should know, which is know when 
You don't know. 

That page, nor any other I found so far says anything that allows anyone to 
Claim this would work (work well anyways) with filepro. Because pcl6 is not 
Useful to us, and pcl6 does not automatically imply pcl5 which is useful to 
us. postscript can be generated from fp but not conveniently, and we can't 
be sure the printer itself even has the actual ps engine in 
hardware/firmware, and plain text isn't featureful enough to warrant "Thats 
a great printer!" 

Some printers that have pcl6 do also have pcl5, and it's possible that the 
pcl5 just isnt advertized. But it's unlikely. HP's site in particular has 
always been clear about that so far. 
Regardless, Likely or not, it still means someone has to find out first hand

before anyone can recommend it. 

So, are you saying you have one of these and it worked from filepro and 
rendered at least a good subset of pcl3 4 or 5 codes? 
Or are you just blathering about stuff you don't know anything about? 
If he ran out and bought one based on your unhesitating encouragement, and 
it turned out to be a dud, would you buy it from him, including shipping? 
Compensate hime even further for wasting his time and that of his employees?

Pay the consultant he hires to figure it out after he gives up after 
fighting with it himself a while? 

"...list fairy" don't you know any other songs? I offer myself, pick on me 
for a while. I'm sure I can provide lots of material to work with. 
Not because anyone else is even slightly bothered by such a silly attack, 
repeated for how many months now? I think it's actually crossed over to 
years. 
No, purely for the sake my own boredom. 

Brian K. White -- brian at aljex.com -- http://www.aljex.com/bkw/ 
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