FilePro Programmer Needed

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "GCC Consulting" <gccconsulting at comcast.net>
To: "'Fairlight'" <fairlite at fairlite.com>; "'filePro Mailing List'" 
<filepro-list at lists.celestial.com>
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 8:26 PM
Subject: RE: FilePro Programmer Needed


>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: filepro-list-bounces at lists.celestial.com
>> [mailto:filepro-list-bounces at lists.celestial.com] On Behalf
>> Of Fairlight
>> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 4:50 PM
>> To: filePro Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: FilePro Programmer Needed
>>
>> With neither thought nor caution, John Esak blurted:
>> >
>> > No, disagree again. Just saying VB ap says it all. If I saw someone
>> > post that he had a "filePro" application that he wanted
>> converted to
>> > something else... I would not have to hear anything other
>> than "filePRo application".
>> > Either I know filePro or I don't. Going over what the app
>> does and how
>> > it does it is part of the either paid-for or on-speculation
>> evaluation
>> > that needs to be done before any contract is entered. Just
>> knowing the
>> > source and destination languages is enough to equip anyone
>> to do this evaluation.
>>
>> I politely disagree.  There's a large difference between
>> porting "Hello world" or a simple add/view of a flat listing
>> by simple search criterion, and porting something like a
>> multi-person (infinite users) scheduling calendar system with
>> hooks into everything including web, email, and SMS, for
>> example.  Doesn't matter if you know the languages in
>> question.  It's the complexity of the task required combined
>> with the stated deadline that are in question.  We knew one,
>> but were given no clue about the other.
>> That's the real problem, in my mind.
>>
>> BTW, if one -should- get paid for -looking- at something to
>> eval whether or not they can do it, boy have I been getting
>> screwed royally for over a decade.  I usually don't even have
>> a committment on cent one until I can vouch I can do it.
>> Apparently I'm doing something -way- wrong! :)  I thought the
>> whole point of "quote" and "estimate" was to give them an
>> idea of what they'd need.  And usually you eat that time.  I
>> know if I take my car into the shoppe, they'll eat time
>> looking at it to diagnose it before giving me a quote, and I
>> can take it or walk without it costing me anything.  Of
>> course, the flip side of that is the medical profession,
>> where it's perfectly okay to have $7000 worth of tests run on
>> you, have them find absolutely nothing they can even
>> diagnose, and you end up paying anyway.  Apparently there are
>> two approaches, and I'm not taking the one that would make me
>> more money.
>
> Mark,
>
> I have written a number of contracts with an out clause for me after a 
> fixed
> amount has been paid on the contract.  This is usually the first payment
> amount on signing the contract.
>
> I have only exercised this option once.  An associate brought me into one 
> of
> his clients who was running a very old cobal program.  He needed it
> converted to a more up to date language as the version was not handling
> running under win NT versions.
>
> There were some very specific pieces that he wanted duplicated in filePro.
> And, since I had to analyses all the Cobal code and then figure out if I
> could duplicate, as much as possible, the look and feel of the original
> program, I insisted on an escape clause.
>
> After reviewing the code and trying to duplicate the specific 
> functionality
> he needed, filePro could not duplicate it.  I exercised the escape clause.
> However, before doing so, I researched the availability of software which
> could be used to recompile his source code to run in a Windows 
> environment.
> I found a number of products which he could use.  I supplied him with the
> list and said good bye.  I am still on his e-mail list.
>
> Now, some jobs I will absorb the cost of analyzing the job. But those are
> becoming less and less.  My time is valuable and asking me to do a 
> complete
> analysis of someone's business process or current software is what I get
> paid for.
>
> Would an accountant or lawyer do a complete analysis of someone's business
> before getting them as a client.  I think not. The listen to their 
> comments
> or take a cursory look and the problem and then quote a per hour fee 
> before
> starting.
>
> Why should we be any different?
>
> Richard Kreiss
> GCC Consulting
>
>
>
>
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