Butting heads (was RE: Antiquated Software)

[Lerebours, Jose]

Brian posted:

> > Quoting Lerebours, Jose (Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:07:05 -0600):
> > [...]
> >> The "room", well, if you ever piss John (as I have), you are not
> >> welcome there - In other words, kiss up, put up, shut-up and you
> >> shall be accepted.
> >>
> >> Oh, God forbid if you offend one of the high ranking officials
> >> in the list, your rear end is black listed and you start to get
> >> all sorts of funny messages from funny people.
> > [...]
> >
> > All I can say about the above is "huh?"
> >
> > There have certainly been numerous flamewars on this list 
> (as I'm sure
> > is the case on any unmoderated list), but I've never heard 
> anyone claim
> > the above before.  Heck, if Esak and Fairlight have learned 
> to get along,
> > I can't imagine anyone getting banned from anything here.
> 
> I don't go to the room any more.
> (bear with me please, this paragraph sounds just personal, 
> but the point 
> it's supporting is not)
> I would, because I like everyone else, but, I decided I can't 
> tolerate Johns 
> attitudes any more and thus since the room is really his, it 
> will never feel 
> comfortable partaking in it. I can't happily participate in a 
> conversation 
> he's in. I'm not one of those people who can smile at, and 
> pal around with, 
> someone I in truth have a basic problem with. I have tried to 
> let some time 
> pass and put this issue behind me and offer pertinant and 
> helpful comments 
> in response to comments or questions he's made a couple times 
> here on the 
> list since then, and been utterly unacknowledged, so I have 
> given up on even 
> trying anymore.
> 
> I am willing to have it phrased that I have the problem and 
> removed myself, 
> laying the emphasis and the blame for my loss of access to 
> the room on me. I 
> don't really feel that way but I'm willing to accept that at 
> least some if 
> not most or even all others may sum it up that way.
> 
> The point is, regardless who's "fault", it's a fact that a single bad 
> interaction with a single personality has the potential to 
> screw up a whole 
> one of your very few resources of filepro help.
> 

I knew I was not alone on this.  What's really surprising is how
most choose to stay quite and suck it up.  Boy, these are the very
same Americans that so value their freedom of speech and their
individualism.

> I would not say the same about the list. The only analogs for 
> John being the 
> owner and often present member of the room, for the list, 
> would be the list 
> owner & moderator, both of which have been perfectly dispassionate in 
> administering the list as far as I have seen even though one 
> of them is far 
> from a dispassionate participant in the list. Specifically, I 
> beleive Mark 
> does at least some adminning of the list and can clear or 
> deny messages, and 
> I have certainly had my differences of opinion with him, and 
> he's certainly 
> said things to people (not just me) here that I find 
> inexcusable, but none 
> of that appears to bleed over into his list admin role. He 
> may call you 
> lousy programmer or unethical service provider or just plain 
> stupid, but he 
> won't stop you from saying the same or worse back.

Well, I guess Mark is not the kind of guy that if he does not
make the team, he takes his ball and goes home (if I do not
play, then no one plays - Oh, did I mention we must play my way?).

John also requested I do not visit the room.  I respect his
request and have honored it (I only logged in two or three times,
and mostly to get a hold of Jim Asman, but thank God Jim is an
easy guy to get a hold of and is very responsive to phone calls
and email messages).

Regards;


Jose Lerebours