OT: Filemaker 8

[Laura Brody]

On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 22:56:17 -0700, Tyler Style <tyler.style at gmail.com> wrote:

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> Laura Brody wrote:
>>> I can't really say what the project scope would be like, I must admit.
>>> However, write access is already there in fpCGI, which makes me wonder about why it isn't in fpODBC.
>>      It is in there. End of discussion. Consider yourself corrected.
>
> Nope.  It's not.  I can't connect to a filePro datastore using a third party app via ODBC.  End of discussion.  Consider yourself corrected.

	In my mind, this respose tells me that your goal here is
to argue, not to learn. The old saying "Don't try to teach a
pig to sing. It is a waste of time for you and it only annoys
the pig". I am done trying to explain this to you. You obviously
prefer to remain clueless and my clue-by-four is in the shop.

>>     Here is the problem. filePro predates just about everything
>> else. It was around long before most "standards" existed. People
>> bitch that filePro on Windows uses Esc to save a record and F10
>> for Help, while "real Windows" programs use F10 to save a record
>> and F1 for Help. The filePro programmers chose those keys long
>> before Windows ever existed! I don't know when ODBC came along,
>> but filePro was around long before it was a feature that a
>> commercial database was expected to have. To add a feature
>> retroactively is many times harder than to build it in from the
>> begining. Hence the "challenges" filePro is facing 25 years later.
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> I can certainly believe that.  fP has many nonstandard useages, certainly linked to it's age.  I'm constantly agog at the fact that I can't have recursive functions due to the gosub call limit.

	And how often do you NEED to create a Fibonacci sequence?
The current gosub call limit of 64. In my experience, if you are
calling a gosub more than 20 times in a row, you are probably
stuck in an infinite loop due to a bug in your processing code.

> But ODBC has been around a long time now too: "Microsoft created ODBC by adapting the SQL Access Group CLI. It released ODBC 1.0 in September, 1992"  So, almost fourteen years.  Not exactly a new technology, either.  Oracle was founded in 1979, and it has managed to tack on ODBC.  PostGres was at demo stage in 1986, and they have ODBC too - and it's not even a commercial product.  So I don't think it's rather too much to ask, given that it's an IT industry standard as well (not just 'expected to have').
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	filePro predates ODBC by more than 10 years. SQL is totally
different from filePro. The only thing they have in common is that
they store data on computers. Everything else is different.

>>     I don't have a problem with questions or opinions - even
>> uninformed opionions. I *do* have a problem with nasty comments
>> without any basis.
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> Until today, I wasn't even aware that Ken was responsible for filePro development.  I made a comment based on what I knew, which obviously wasn't much, and I said so at the time.  You took it is some kind of personal attack.  Which it obviously wasn't, as I couldn't even name a core app developer.

	Anyone who has been on this list for more than a week usually
picks up on the fact that Ken is the lead filePro programmer. He and
I have the same last name. The filePro mailing list is rather small.
You dissed my husband and I took great offense. It isn't exactly a
stretch to put 2 and 2 together here.

	Ken answers questions on this mailing list (usually as in between
code compiles) because he likes to help out. It isn't on his job
description and he isn't paid extra for it. When it comes to filePro,
he is front and center and giving it 110%, so the "lazy" comment
(surprise, surprise) pissed me off.

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>>> If it's wrong, people will argue with or correct me, and we allbenefit.  If it's true, then I have confirmation of its validityfrom others and we still all benefit.
>>      Just keep the slander and flame-bait to a minimum, ok?
>
> I'll try.  I admit I'm not particularly a people person.

	REALLY??? I *never* would have guessed!

>  But I don't consider what I said either slander or flame-bait, just negative.  And what crosses the line is in the eye of the beholder, no?

	I think that the consensus is that you are ignorant,
clueless, rude and a pain in the ass. To continue to attempt
to educate you is a waste of my time. You sound like a excellent
candidate for a Darwin Award. Please don't tell me that you
have already reproduced.

> Can be a problem, especially if one has a high sensitivityto talking about some of the lacks of filePro.  :)

	I am more aware of the lacks of filePro than most people
since I was part of the development team for 8 years, married
the lead programmer, have written filePro utilities in filePro,
replacement online help files and a printed quick reference
guide. I know the internals of filePro and know what can be
added easily, added with great effort and only added after
changing the laws of physics. filePro has some shortcomings,
but it does what it was designed to do quite well. The people
who work for fP Tech work harder than anyone else I know to
pull minor miracles out of their asses on a regular basis,
so to bad-mouth them like you have is just wrong. You owe them
an apology and one to the mailing list for wasting their time
reading your uninformed "opinions", then shut up and sit down.
No one wants to hear what you have to say.

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Laura Brody
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