FW: OT: Completely OT: Inflation

[John Esak]

Charlie,
I'm forwarding your informative message to the list. Hell, it is just about
the first uplifting stuff I've heard!  Except for the diet woes... which I
share about equally with you . :-)


-----Original Message-----
From: gliderman.one at verizon.net [mailto:gliderman.one at verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 12:26 PM
To: john at valar.com
Subject: Re: OT: Completely OT: Inflation


John,

Right!  Three weeks ago I started to try, attempt, think, that I will
eat no more than 3 ouces of each item per meal regardless of the item;
meat or vegetables.  3 meat and 3 each of two veg. plus a salad with
only two teaspoons of dressing!  No desert and only one ounce of potato
chips per lunch.  Of course the chips are the hardest to abide by!  My
doctor's nurse claims I lost 5 pounds the first week, but our home
scales do not indicate that drop!  :-)

The Bowling Green, OH electric consortium has installed four Swedish
made wind generators and they are producing higher than planned Kw.
These things, in my opinion, are very graceful looking and are no more
an eyesore than steel towers for high voltage transmission and TV and
cell phone transmission.  The Tree Huggers are against them because they
will kill birds, yet none of these groups has really studied the impact
on birds.  They rotate at only 6 to ten revolutions per minutes and a
bird certainly should be able to sense that movement if they can sense
an automobile going 75 mph across their flight path!  Bowling Green has
been keeping track of bird kill and in over a year they have found only
a hand full near the four windmills.

A local builder is a true Greenie.  His homes are as Green as can be
built.  He has, in the past year, built four with some amount of
electric shingles (Photo Voltaic) on them.  The most recent has about 5
squares of PV which can produce up to 4.5 Kw and should, on average,
make the home self-sufficient for electricty. Michigan just this spring
made Net Metering a law.  Ohio has had NM for three of four years.  If
there is so much as a shadow, the shingles will produce some amount of
electricity.  If you are not consuming, the production it is fed back
into the grid and you are paid for it. The company making the shingles
is in Rochester Hills, MI.  Virtually ALL their shingle production this
year has been going to England and Germany where the gov. will pay up to
half the cost of  an installation. "Bill the Builder" had to pay $800
additional freight on the last home because the shingles had to come
from England. They were made 50 miles away, shipped to England, then
came back to MI!

The production is sold out until next spring.  The company broke ground
about a ;month ago for a new plant that will double the output.

There are two new ethanol plants being built in Michigan within 50 miles
of me.   Many newer cars (mainly pickup trucks) an run on pure ethanol.
To my knowledge, until recently thre has been only one station in Ohio
selling pure Ethanol. One has now opened in Toledo and if Toledo has
one, surely Cincinnati, Dayton and Cleveland have one.  As Mike S.'s
friend says, ethanol mileage is less than gasoline.  Pure Ethanol
yeields about 20% lower mileage than does gasoline.  I hear it also
takes more energy to produce a gallon of Ethanol than the energy
produced by the stuff.  The U.S. gov. is behind these plants as a
petroleum substitute despite that they and the stand-by natural gas
electric gnenerators are consuming millions of cubic feet of Nat. Gas
and driving the price up!  And, unlike the mountain variety of clear,
white, liquid it can not be drunk!

The gov of Montana is pushing coal to petrol and despite that these
palnts are being built in China and other coal producing countries so
far no one in the U.S. seems to be really listening to him.

The U.S. energy policy does not even live up to being a ring of  balogna.

I have heard that the price of oil will drop back in a couple years, but
to what, who knows.  We derinately will have to shift our dollars around
to fit the higher prices.  I still think the gallonge sales of gasoline
and diesel should be published monthly so we can see what is really
happening with consumption.

Charlie


John Esak wrote:

>So when gas goes up, what do we cut back on food?  I need to diet anyway...
>:-)
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: CDAY [mailto:gliderman.one at verizon.net]
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 9:45 AM
>>To: john at valar.com
>>Subject: Re: OT: Completely OT: Inflation
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>>John,
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>>Inflation occurs only when the money supply exceeds the value of goods
>>and services.  That is, when the government creates jobs which results
>>in the printing of money to cover their ass(es).  When the money supply
>>is not increased, if the price of one necessity goes up, we must cut
>>back on something else to cover that increase, shifting demand but not
>>causing inflation.
>>
>>Econo Charlie  :-)
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>>John Esak wrote:
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>>>Why is this hard for people (even smart people) to understand?
>>>
>>>We are closing our fiscal year. Just did the closing inventory, all the
>>>accounting is buttoning up and so forth. With all the news and cost
>>>increases due to oil and natural disasters like Katrina hitting us (and
>>>everyone so hard), we are planning for the upcoming year. Want
>>>
>>>
>>to hear some
>>
>>
>>>doom and gloom?  Here goes.
>>>
>>>We will be cutting back on everything, trying to economize everywhere and
>>>keep costs down. We just sent out an increase letter announcing
>>>
>>>
>>that most of
>>
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>>>our basic prices are going up by 24 cents a pound!  Believe me that is a
>>>HUGE number, GIGANTIC. Increases are usually is pennies, if
>>>
>>>
>>that, and often
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>>>they may even be decreases, that is sometimes they actually go
>>>
>>>
>>down based on
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>>>industry-wide resin prices. Every plastic company is in the same
>>>
>>>
>>boat as us,
>>
>>
>>>and must do essentially the same as us, responding to varying
>>>
>>>
>>costs almost
>>
>>
>>>minute by minute. You can bet every company our size just sent
>>>
>>>
>>out the very
>>
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>>>same increase letter to their customers.
>>>
>>>My question is this. How is it that people (economists, pundits, everyone
>>>seemingly - except me) feels that there won't be immediate HUGE inflation
>>>everywhere. With gas at the pumps moving in the $3/$4 dollar range and
>>>companies like us having to raise manufactured goods costs (petroleum and
>>>natural gas based as plastic resin is) up by so much to stay in
>>>
>>>
>>business...
>>
>>
>>>How in the world will other companies who buy this stuff from us survive
>>>without raising their prices as well? Do you see where this is going?
>>>Doesn't everyone SEE it?  What is wrong with this picture. To
>>>
>>>
>>hear the stock
>>
>>
>>>market analysts on all four networks (and the cable channels) saying over
>>>and over again "rising oil prices will not hurt the stock
>>>
>>>
>>market"... I stay
>>
>>
>>>in a state of appalled disbelief. It's like these guys (and gals) have
>>>absolutely zero connection with the real world. Exactly where do
>>>
>>>
>>they live?
>>
>>
>>>On what planet? Are they fooling their network owners, too? Is
>>>
>>>
>>that what the
>>
>>
>>>media moguls *want* to hear? Is that why we are hearing it?
>>>
>>>Based on what is happening to us, I would suggest that everyone hold on
>>>tight. The bottom is about to fall out after all. It's going to
>>>
>>>
>>be a rough
>>
>>
>>>ride, and who knows what will shake out and who will be around
>>>
>>>
>>after it all
>>
>>
>>>comes crashing down.
>>>
>>>Ballooned prices and unrealistic valuations can exist in the real estate
>>>market and have for decades... but that is only because there is only one
>>>source of "supply". The house or building is where it is, and
>>>
>>>
>>you want it or
>>
>>
>>>not based on that, period. With goods (such as we all manufacture here in
>>>America at unbelievably inflated costs) the paradigm of supply and demand
>>>breaks down. The same goods can be made with virtually zero (or
>>>
>>>
>>at least 10
>>
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>>>cent an hour labor) costs in China. So different is their
>>>
>>>
>>economy that even
>>
>>
>>>*with* the enormous increase in petroleum and natural gas raw materials
>>>(like resin), they can produce the same goods (though not usually to our
>>>high quality standards) and ship them over here to sell in our economy at
>>>prices lower than we can!  America's buying power is being
>>>
>>>
>>forced to look in
>>
>>
>>>that direction. If the short-sighted executives of our companies
>>>
>>>
>>give in and
>>
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>>>move exclusively to buying from that source, the infra-structure of our
>>>economy WILL die. It happened with steel and it will happen with
>>>
>>>
>>everything
>>
>>
>>>else, too. Unless we join our economy with the various other world-wide
>>>economies in such a way that makes sense, the entire house of cards will
>>>come down. If something doesn't bring down the cost of oil, and if the
>>>economists of the world don't make it a level playing field for
>>>
>>>
>>all... very
>>
>>
>>>soon, there is not going to be much left to do other than watch the world
>>>sink into utter devastation.
>>>
>>>In regards to oil, all we can hope is that George Bush's
>>>
>>>
>>historic move into
>>
>>
>>>the Middle East to bring the sanity of civilization and human
>>>
>>>
>>rights to the
>>
>>
>>>only region of the world that hasn't been able to develop these ideas on
>>>their own for thousands of years, will eventually, sooner than later, put
>>>the natural resources of that area under a system and society that will
>>>steward them for the entire planet as a sacred trust. This,
>>>
>>>
>>rather than the
>>
>>
>>>chaos that now exists there at the major wellheads of the world... which
>>>does nothing but pour money into the pockets of a few rich families and
>>>individuals. At some point in future history, we will look back on these
>>>times as barbaric and savage.
>>>
>>>As regards to the economies of all nations, a little more engineering and
>>>development of ideas at these worldwide summits rather than
>>>
>>>
>>recriminations
>>
>>
>>>and fighting... not too mention fewer or no bombings, might do the trick.
>>>The thing about money and its transfer is that it CAN be worked
>>>
>>>
>>out amicably
>>
>>
>>>and equitably... always has been this way... always will be this
>>>
>>>
>>way. When
>>
>>
>>>there is a win win attitudes, things work and stay working. Unfairness
>>>fosters discontent and problems.
>>>
>>>There is not much time left. We all better get a plan... a world-wide
>>>plan... based on developing a new source of energy... not just for
>>>ourselves, but for everyone. The tenet and overall view for this
>>>
>>>
>>work must
>>
>>
>>>be dedicated toward the belief that our Spaceship Earth is the
>>>
>>>
>>closed system
>>
>>
>>>that it is. Otherwise, can anyone out there see things getting better?
>>>
>>>--
>>>John Esak
>>>The Valar Group
>>>(570) 384-2444
>>>
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