Completely OT: Inflation

[John Esak]

I'm top-posting and don't care what JP thinks about it... :-)

Just want to say this didn't sound like a soapbox... it was extremely
informative info... thanks.

John

> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Paul McNary
> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 3:42 PM
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> Subject: RE: Completely OT: Inflation
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > [mailto:filepro-list-bounces at lists.celestial.com] On Behalf
> > Of John Hemmer
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 12:58 PM
> > To: 'Fplist (E-mail)'
> > Subject: Re: Completely OT: Inflation
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bob Stockler" <bob at trebor.iglou.com>
> > To: "'Fplist (E-mail)'" <filepro-list at seaslug.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 10:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: Completely OT: Inflation
> >
> >
> > > Mike Schwartz wrote (on Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 07:59:10AM -0500):
> > >
> > > |      People don't seem very concerned about the high gas
> > prices.  In
> > this
> > > | area of Wisconsin, I was just discussing the high gas
> > prices and 10%
> > ethanol
> > > | gas with a group of other computer consultants and I was shocked
> > > | that
> > some
> > > | of them refuse to burn that in their cars, even though
> > ethanol is a
> > > | renewable resource and Wisconsin somewhat subsidizes the slightly
> > > | higher cost.  One of them summed it up that he just doesn't feel
> > > | like he gets "maximum performance" with the 10% ethanol
> > gas on the
> > > | big SUV that he
> > uses
> > > | to commute about 50 miles back and forth each day to work.
> > > | Actually, I think he just won't pay the same amount of money for
> > > | ethanol gas that he gets 1 or 2 MPG less on, even if ethanol is a
> > > | renewable resource.
> > >
> > > The ethanol story sounds good, until you factor in the
> > energy required
> > > to grow the grains from which it is derived, and the energy
> > required
> > > to transport it to the sites where it is produced, and then
> > the energy
> > > required to ferment and distill it.  Recent studies have
> > shown it to
> > > be a net energy loss - though it does have some economic
> > benefits for
> > > those in the grain belt.
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > Bob,
> >
> > You could use the energy it produces to make it and sell
> > anything that's left. If there nothing left, then your all done.
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > John
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> Some of the latest ethanol production studies indicate after all
> by-products are sold and if the distiller is using the cold
> production process that it is economically feasible to produce
> ethanol. Also this spring the wholesale price of ethanol went
> down into the $1.50 per gallon range. Corn at sub $2.00 (local
> price today is $1.65) make ethanol production very cost effective
> even with the 1-2 mpg reduction with E10 or 15% mpg reduction of
> E85 (85% ethanol). The comment about subsidies to farmers is
> a fact that has been taught in ag econ courses for many years.
> US cheap food policy is the reason to pay farmers subsidies because
> without them agriculture could not stay in business in the US.
> The price for ag products (ie corn and soybeans) are in the same
> range now as when I retired(quit) farming in 1984. The input costs
> are 200-300% higher not counting the latest fuel price increase.
> Farmers have become extremely efficient in the past 40 years.
> A combine that cost $75,000 in 1984 today is almost $200,000.
>
> Propane was once a by product of the refining process and practically
> given away in the 1950's. Today it is an important part in the
> fuel price. So you must use by-products value in the equation for
> ethanol if you continue to use them in the gasoline production
> equation.
>
> On my soapbox again, I apologize.
> I remembered to bottom post for you JP (<:)
>
>
> Paul McNary
> McNary Computer Services
>
>
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