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[Bill Vermillion]

On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 04:46:17PM -0500, Fairlight thus spoke:
> Y'all catch dis heeyah?  Bill Vermillion been jivin' 'bout like:
> > On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 11:29:51AM -0800, Bill Campbell thus
> > spoke:
> > > I'm about ready to take these bounce messages as an indication
> > > that the person doesn't want to receive mail from the Filepro
> > > list at all, and remove their subscription.

> > To me that seems like a reasonable move, and then they can

> More than reasonable, IMHO.

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> > The other solution might be to configure your digestifier so that
> > replies go to the list by default when you make a reply, instead of
> > going to the user who sent it.   

> Ooooh...bad idea. :) You think we go OT -now-... That really
> tends to attract more replies and non-relevant traffic than if
> someone has to manually make sure it goes back to the list.
> I've done it both ways in the past, and I find it works better
> overall if you have it set the way Bill has it. The exceptions
> would be -really- technical lists where you're dealing with
> administrators themselves, who know better and actually care
> how their mail is directed, because they've been in that
> situation themselves in all likelihood. I'm betting that nobody
> abuses something like NANOG or they're toast. But that's an
> entirely different kind of audience.

I would think that most of the messages in FP could go to the list.
I have no idea how many OT discussion outside the list there are,
but it seem like read the list and post to the list to share the
knowledge, unless what you suggest has not been tested.  Thus send
it priuvate so bad ideas don't end up being retreived on a search.

> > I recall that you had a reaon for replies to be sent to the
> > originator by default and not back to the list, but I don't recall
> > what it was.   Many of the lists I subscribe to default to repling
> > to the list.

> Yeah, I've been on some. It's fine when people know and care
> what they're doing, but that's increasingly rare. How many
> times do we still get mail from people that -insist- on sending
> duplicates to the OP -and- the list? The only tenable excuse
> for that is if it's something of a timely nature that someone
> needs a rush on where you might not want to make them wait on
> list propogation, yet the answer could be helpful to all.

I get those and reply to the person, and find later it was also
posted to the list. I  usually check and direct email to me usually
arrives in under 5 minutes [I only retreive it every 5] and
sometimes the list takes longer.  So a private reply really should
have gone to the list, and information that might have been
valuable to all never gets past a one-to-one mail.

> But that's such a minority of the dual-posted ones we see here
> that I'd believe inverting the setting would do more harm than
> good.

I'd say 1/3 of my posts which wind up getting replies also wind up
in my own mailbox.

> You know though, even having brought it up, I don't think it
> will affect what he's deaiing with there by more than a tiny
> percentage. It never does until people find themselves cut off.

It depends on the people.  We see test messages from people who
haven't seen anything on the list for 24-36 hours thinking they
have been cut off.  And with the huge volume of spam and the
general slowness in the 'net in the past few months, some start
posting again if they don't see their messages in 2 or 3 hours.
Those people will surely know.

> It's amazing how warning after warning will go unheeded until
> someone finds themselves with a shell of /bin/false and then
> suddenly they sit up and take notice (and usually cry foul,
> no less, which is ever so much more amusing). Same thing with
> any administration over users, whether it's mailing lists or
> whatever. Sometimes they need a little "incentive". :)

If they don't pay enough attention to the list and the get cut off
after warnings, then they have no room to complain.  The could be
put on a read-only mode for awhile and then not be able to post
for something like 30 days.   IOW treat it very much like the
original usenet and netiquette guidelines say - read for 30 or so
days until you know what is expected and how it is to be formatted
and then follow what the implied rules are.

One of the other mail-lists I subscribe to is a two-step. You can
subsribe and read all you want.  But you also have to subsribe to a
second time and place to post.

If someones agressive filters start bouncing FP list material they
will be filtered at the posting level, until they personally
request re-instatement.

I look at Usenet as a place where any one can post [except
moderated groups] but mailing lists being a privledge that can be
revoked at any time.

That may because my first foray with electronics computing started
with a mail list format back in 1980.   That was back when only
University type accounts has usenet or bitnet.

Bill
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Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com